I don't agree with that. If "not using the dark side" opens up the opportunity to kill, this means that the jedi as an order don't mind non force sensitives murdering and killing for whatever reason.
And the point is, the jedi should ALWAYS work to take someone prisoner. I mean, it may seem like Obi-Wan had no other choice, but he did. Even Anakin had a clear view of the jedi code when he said they should take in Dooku and later Sidious, not kill them. -Despite their potential threat, even-.
Take a look at Luke Skywalker: He faced Vader. But at the last moment, despite what we might consider better judgment, he dropped his lightsaber and refused to kill vader or Sidious. He refused to give in to base, petty human hatred... hence, the dark side. Luke may have been writhing on the floor later, suffering, but he won a moral victory.
If you don't believe in moral objectivism or at least are familiar with it, none of the above will make any sense to you. we've been over this before, Fishy.
No because this has nothing to do with Morale, this has to do with your mission towards the Jedi. Your mission is to stop GG, preferably by capturing him. But nobody cared when GG died, Jedi have killed Dark Jedi and Sith throughout all ages. Why? Not because its the good thing to do and if it could be avoided it should be avoided. But if you can not avoid it then you can not avoid it and you will just have to do it.
I agree Obi Wan should not have done it, but I do not think it was an effective violatin against the Jedi Code.
Fishy, I hope you're not confusing morale with moral. And the jedi are not about survival. Even Yoda has a casual attitude towards his own death. They believe you become one with the Force; why would such scenarios be accepted and even applauded? The jedi revere life, and the Force comes from life. Death is never a good thing to them, even to an enemy.
And birthoftheforce, you know apparently nothing, since all you do is sit around and bash on my every word. Please. Go away.
Originally posted by Deus Ex
Fishy, I hope you're not confusing morale with moral. And the jedi are not about survival. Even Yoda has a casual attitude towards his own death. They believe you become one with the Force; why would such scenarios be accepted and even applauded? The jedi revere life, and the Force comes from life. Death is never a good thing to them, even to an enemy.And birthoftheforce, you know apparently nothing, since all you do is sit around and bash on my every word. Please. Go away.
Seeing as I don't know what the hell the difference is supposed to be, I don't know if i'm confusing one with the other.
And yeah you are right Yoda had a casual attitude towards his own death, but not when he had to deal with Sidious he wanted to survive then. Otherwise he would have risked it. Besides you have to remember, Yoda the one that practically created the order and the new Jedi Code was the one that said they had to destroy the Sith and that he had to kill Sidious.
He went there to kill, Sidious surrendering would have done, but his primary mission wasn't to capture Sidious. His primary mission was to take him out, either by death or by capture.
Originally posted by Fishy
Seeing as I don't know what the hell the difference is supposed to be, I don't know if i'm confusing one with the other.And yeah you are right Yoda had a casual attitude towards his own death, but not when he had to deal with Sidious he wanted to survive then. Otherwise he would have risked it. Besides you have to remember, Yoda the one that practically created the order and the new Jedi Code was the one that said they had to destroy the Sith and that he had to kill Sidious.
He went there to kill, Sidious surrendering would have done, but his primary mission wasn't to capture Sidious. His primary mission was to take him out, either by death or by capture.
Morale is the general good spirits of men in combat. Bad morale can lead to bad performance or even desertion.
And Yoda was casual about his death, but I don't neccessarily think his concern in the battle with Sidious was for himself. If he died and Obi-Wan failed, who would see to it that the Sith were challenged later on in the future?
And it's not entirely clear whether or not Yoda was out to kill Sidious, although I wouldn't think he would pass up the opportunity, since Sidious DID obliterate the jedi order right under Yoda's nose. IF so, this is a case where even Yoda can't abide by the code because of life's demands. It shows the contrast between what we want and what rules tell us we should do.
Ohh yeah 😛 stupid me, I knew that..
And if Yoda was out to kill Sidious it could show us that the rules are either different then you think, or that he's not listening to them anymore.
Actually now that I think of it, him just throwing away the rules doesn't seem that strange when you watch ESB he doesn't seem to care as much about them anymore. He never really taught Luke much of the things he taught other Jedi. Kinda strange really.
Originally posted by birthoftheforce
dude you are just plain stupid if you do not know the difference between morale and moral
Dude thx for calling me stupid, second of all I know the difference I just didn't realise what the word meant when I read it.. One of the downsides of having another first language. Can you read and write Dutch as well as I can English? If no then please shut the **** up and move on. okay? Thank you.
Originally posted by birthoftheforce
dude you are just plain stupid if you do not know the difference between morale and moral
I really don't know what to say. I don't really want to get into another idiotic rumble with you. But insulting someone like Fishy, especially using the particular insults you did, is just plain hypocritical, not to mention, in your words, 'just plain stupid.'
Since obviously you have absolutely no sense of humor, I won't bother explaining.
However, insulting Fishy based on one error is yes, stupid. Idiotic, unreasonable, stupid. Not to mention that the dude learned English off of video games. Actually, he's better spoken than you. So I suggest you hold your tongue in the future. I won't hesistate to report you. We actually have a Code of Conduct. Follow it.
actually faunus if i wanted to speak better english than any of you i could but i choose not to. Also explain to me again how calling fishy stupid for what he said is stupid. You could of said rude, un-called for or even dikhed but what i said to fishy is not stupid. By calling me stupid i assume you mean that i am lacking knowledge in what i said. if that is what you believe than you are stupid. jawa geek.