Originally posted by Sorgo
I am sure the Jedi know how to use the power, but they probably do not use it.The answer to your question is No. They aren't allowed to use the power. But they could if they wanted to!
F*CKIN PWNED JAWA STYLE!
Now that has got to be "The" best peice of Star Wars art I've seen in this entire forum, ever.
And I've seen hundreds of pieces on here.
*nods*
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I'll do it then. Many Jedi "can", but don't because it goes against their beliefs. Think of it like, Muslims "can" eat pork, but they don't because it goes against their beliefs.
That doesn't make sense to me, really it doesn't.
Jedi shouldn't/wouldn't/couldn't unless there was seriously something wrong with said Jedi, and it apparently takes a lot of practice and anger/hatred/fear/jealousy/whatever to conjure lightning anyway, and a Jedi is not going to be practicing Dark Side techniques such as the lightning.
I think this thread has potential to become a religious/political discussion (wich is bad).. But to answer the threads topic, I think that force lightning is just that, can be learned by any force user, does not make you evil.. And I think it's probably even better to electrocute your sith opponent than chopping his head off. That lightning can at least be survived.
Originally posted by Deus Ex
That's neutrality EU BS; the jedi (read: force users who abide by the jedi code, not the overrated cheap knockoffs in video games or NJO novels) should never use Sith lightning, because it is inherently an aggressive and evil power, meant to kill and hurt, not to defend or aid.
Thus, the answer is yes.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
THat's because they are in your head.
Now that's childish. I gave the reasons why I felt there were inconsistencies before, and there have been several pages' worth of discussion on this, and still nobody has really fully agreed. If it's in my head, I'm apparently sharing a mass hallucination with a whole lot of other people.
I mean, come on.
I questioned why using the Force to grip or strike would be somehow "Dark side," yet using it to shove or create a damaging whirlwind isn't ... and nobody has cleared that up. A few HAVE stated that they believe that none of those actions would be "Dark" (and at least one thinks even lightning wouldn't be), but at the very least, the D20 system makes using the Force to grip and to strike both Dark.
And why? Because they use the Force to cause damage? Well, so does pushing, pulling and creating a whirlwind. So it makes no sense.
As far as the books and the movies go, I'm not aware that a clear line has EVER really been drawn between what's "Light" and "Dark" in terms of using the Force.
The nature of the act makes it different.
Lets assume here that every force technique requires at least some kind of training. The primary use for pushing or pulling can still be to remove obstacles from your path and it is indeed a vital for thing for all force users light side or dark. But it can also easily and quickly without to much damage take out groups of people or disable just one. Its far more for disabling then taking out.
Now a choke, can never ever ever be used for good. Maybe for the greater good but the act of doing it can never be good. Putting time into learning it, would mean you are putting time into learning something that can only be used for evil. That by itself is evil...
Lightning is another thing like that, the few instances you can use it for good do not match up to the time it will take to learn it, not to mention that the good things you can use it for can be done by other things as well. And for almost all things it would be evil.
You can say its no different then killing somebody with a lightsaber well there is a difference. A Jedi may only strike out of defense and not for an offensive reason. Now a force attack like lightning will always be offensive and therefor wrong. Even if used in a defensive way its still an offensive attack designed to do maximum damage, something like that is just against the code. You can move around it all you want it doesn't change a thing its against the Jedi code. The very idea of that attack is that its supposed to kill or maim, Jedi are not supposed to do that unless its a last resort. They are supposed to take their prisoners alive if at all possible. Unless it isn't possible then you can kill, but only then.
And thats ignoring the pain you put somebody through when you shoot lightning at them, the very act of torturing is evil. And lightning is going to torture somebody..
Ores did you read the posts throughly? Though that one newbie's got deleted for a one-liner, he agreed with me that the reasoning was probably because Force Lightning is infact a DARKSIDE power. That the darkside and the lightside co-exsist simutanously. When you manifest Force Lightning, you are invaribably pulling energy from the darkside of The Force, so ofcourse, you're going to bring yourself one step closer to the darkside..
Or alternatively (but this is a bigger stretch) manifesting Force Lightning aggarvates the chemichals in the brain that cause raw negative emotions such as hate, anger, resentment, fear, etc. Things The Jedi try to avoid being at all costs..
Originally posted by Orestes
Now that's childish. I gave the reasons why I felt there were inconsistencies before, and there have been several pages' worth of discussion on this, and still nobody has really fully agreed. If it's in my head, I'm apparently sharing a mass hallucination with a whole lot of other people.I mean, come on.
I questioned why using the Force to grip or strike would be somehow "Dark side," yet using it to shove or create a damaging whirlwind isn't ... and nobody has cleared that up. A few HAVE stated that they believe that none of those actions would be "Dark" (and at least one thinks even lightning wouldn't be), but at the very least, the D20 system makes using the Force to grip and to strike both Dark.
And why? Because they use the Force to cause damage? Well, so does pushing, pulling and creating a whirlwind. So it makes no sense.
As far as the books and the movies go, I'm not aware that a clear line has EVER really been drawn between what's "Light" and "Dark" in terms of using the Force.
No-one else is discussing an 'inconsistency', only talking about an idea. Like I say, the idea that it is inconsistent is in your head.
No, it never has been defined what is Light and Dark force wise. It's not even discussed if such a difference exists.
Nor does it matter. There is no inconsistency.
Originally posted by Deus Ex
Overlord, you don't know a thing about which you're speaking.It's called "Sith lightning" for a reason. Duh.
Funny. I always thought it was called "Force Lightning" ...
Which may mean alot.
Out of many things, It may mean that anyone whom is adept in the ways of the Force, be the person good or bad, has the sensible ability to harness Force Lightning.
I have come to my own rational conclusion to my thread question after reading all the posts in this thread and that is this:
The answer to the thread question is simply yes. "Good" Jedi can use Force Lightning because they have the abilities to do so. In order to harness Force lightning you'd need Force powers. Powers Jedi already posses.
Whether they would use it or not or how they'd use it and for what purpose they'd use it for is irrelevant.
To me, "Good" Jedi can do Force lightning simply because they have the facilities and capability to do so, technically speaking. Morally speaking is another issue and still digressive.