drizz vs blade sword fight

Started by Wickerman4 pages

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Once you've read Gemmell, you will cry because you didn't start sooner. The Rigante is cool, kinda, but remember these names:

Waylander the Slayer, who was cursed with the ability to be able to kill ANYTHING.

Druss the Legend, who remained a legend millenia after he died.

And Skilgannon the Damned, who was resurrected after he died because a world on the brink of destruction needed one of the most ruthless swordsmen that ever lived.

These are the books that changed fantasy for me.

Forever.

Will be sure to check for them in that case.

Man......i've got such a long list of books i wanna read and never get the chance to though 🙁

Magic: PM incoming 😖hifty:

~wickerman~

Only the Rigante are a series, the rest like Waylander, Druss and Skilgannon each stand on their own, but because they were so popular, he wrote some more. They follow-up books do refer to events in the previous books, though

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Only the Rigante are a series, the rest like Waylander, Druss and Skilgannon each stand on their own, but because they were so popular, he wrote some more. They follow-up books do refer to events in the previous books, though

"In chronological order of story-line:
Waylander (1986)
Waylander II: In the Realm of the Wolf (1992)
Hero in the Shadows (2000)
The First Chronicles of Druss the Legend (1993) (Part 1 - early life of Druss)
The Legend of Deathwalker (1996)
The First Chronicles of Druss the Legend (1993) (Part 2 - Battle of Skeln Pass)
White Wolf (2003)
Legend (1984)
The King Beyond the Gate (1985)
Quest for Lost Heroes (1990)
Winter Warriors (1996)
The Swords of Night and Day (2004)"

That sound about right to ya?

~wickerman~

Yup, more or less.

The Swords of Night and Day is the sequel to Skilgannon the Damned.

Druss got so big (Legend, remember?) that I think even Gemmell himself got confused with the chronology towards the end (lol).

Just start with the one where he is still young, and they torch his village and kidnap his sweetheart, and he goes and gets his axe.

And then follow the blood-trail

Originally posted by Dreampanther
And then follow the blood-trail

😆 Classic 😆

~wickerman~

This will be my last post on this topic and this debate in general, as I'm positively livid ... and that's extremely unusual for me in any such discussion (I normally just do this stuff for kicks and don't feel anything about it at all). In a moment, I'll explain WHY I'm angry.

First, yes, I know there was a comic book Blade. I also know that the movies effectively revived AND revised him, so yes, I'm going by the movies.

Second, Wickerman, I did a little research. I said to myself, "Hey, didn't I once thumb through a book wherein Errtu was taking on Drizzt's entire party at once and practically beating them?" That didn't seem to fit, somehow, with Drizzt whipping Errtu solo (or just with Guen).

But hey, guess what? I happen to do part-time work in a bookstore! How handy. It just so happens I was able to flip through The Crystal Shard today -- as, no, I didn't read all of the Drizzt books ... only the Dark Elf Trilogy. So I needed to check up on some claims you made.

And what did I find out about the Drizzt/Errtu fight? That it went something like this:

1. Once the talking stops and the fighting is about to start, Errtu uses his power to burst into flame. Drizzt is immediately having difficulty dealing with the heat and the brightness.

2. Errtu moves to swing his sword, and Drizzt braces himself to defend, but Guen (his panther) leaps onto the demon's arm. Errtu shoves Guen against the wall in an effort to dislodge it but otherwise focuses on Drizzt ... continuing to fight with a panther attached to his arm.

3. Errtu swings his whip instead, "too quickly for the drow, still reeling from the sudden burst of brightness of the flames, to deflect the blow or dodge aside." He then yanks Drizzt off of his feet with ease.

4. Errtu drags Drizzt into his flames. Drizzt knows he's thoroughly beaten and has no way to respond and even flatly states, "And so I die."

5. The flames don't burn Drizzt. In fact, after a moment, they go out. Neither Errtu nor Drizzt immediately know why, but it turns out that a new scimitar Drizzt happened to pick up earlier did it.

6. Drizzt tries to attack with his other scimitar, but it does nothing. He attacks with the one that saved him from the flames (easily hitting since Errtu doesn't believe he has any reason to try to block it), and since it has the magic needed to do it, he cuts into Errtu's knee ... surprising both of them.

7. Drizzt then follows up on a surprised and crippled opponent with a blow to the chest, banishing him. Yay.

That's your epic "Drizzt beat Errtu" battle, right there, in a nutshell. Bottom line? He basically struck an opponent in the knee who wasn't trying to block the attack, then stabbed the crippled and surprised opponent in the chest. *I* could have done that, for God's sake!

Meanwhile, someone was trying to compare him to Spider-Man in terms of dodging ability? My ***. He didn't even dodge ONE ATTACK. He only even SURVIVED because (a) Errtu was playing with him, (b) he happened by blind freaking luck to have picked up a magical toy that could save him, and (c) he was then able to do the swordplay equivalent of a sucker punch with said toy.

Not only does that battle NOT highlight his swordfighting or dodging ability (if anything, he looks a little pathetic in it), but it can't even be used to show how smart he is. It's not like he planned it that way -- he was as surprised by what happened as Errtu. He just blundered into a technical win. It would be like having Superman kick you around and then pick you up by the scruff of the neck, only to find that you somehow managed to pick up a big lump of kryptonite earlier without even realizing what you'd found.

And what makes me angry here is that you, Wickerman, represented it as though Drizzt beat Errtu straight up, when instead, he blundered into a win through sheer dumb luck. That's even more of a misrepresentation than people claiming Batman can easily defeat the JLA just because he was able to come up with a way to beat them after YEARS of ONE-SIDED prep-time. In fact, it's so much of a misrepresentation, I would instead call it a LIE.

As for the giants Drizzt fought with Wulgar (AND Guen!) ...? Sure, they won, but they cheated like hell. They did things like surprise them and fling powder into their eyes, sneak up behind a group and hamstring the last one in line ... etc. And when they did end up in a face-to-face fight, Drizzt got knocked down, and it was flatly stated that he was about to be dealt a death-blow by the giant facing him when Guen jumped in and saved his behind. That blow that would have killed Drizzt, by the way, would probably have been enough to briefly stun a guy like Blade who can survive having his head used to knock out a chunk of a pillar.

So once again, a misrepresentation. Not to the extent of the flat-out BS you presented with the Errtu fight, but ... still, a misrepresentation. Drizzt and friends didn't beat the giants in ANYthing like a fair fight, which is what counts if we're talking about pitting Blade against Drizzt in a straight-up swordfight.

And that's it. I'm done here. I don't like being lied to, and I'm not going to continue to waste my time researching every claim that's made about Drizzt ... which I'd clearly have to do if this continued.

Uh, I think perhaps you forgot the second time they fought? Or perhaps you just did a little "selective" reading, which is very convenient, but unfortunately for you, we actually read ALL the books, didn't just page through them to find stuff to support our one-sided views.

So how do you explain Drizzt figuring out his spinning technique, WHILE IN COMBAT, and then eventually beat Errtu so bad he ran away?

Read MORE! Watch less Hollywood.

Quoting Hollywood at me REALLY impresses me. Wow. What Hollywood says MUST be canon. I mean, they don't do it for the sensation, right?

Yeah, I forgot about that, especially since it wasn't in that book at all. 😉 Maybe it was in a later book; I dunno. So what? With a weapon that could counter Errtu's flames and injure him as well, I'm sure Blade would have no problem with him at all. Who the hell cares?

And yes, I said I wasn't going to post again, but I just wanted to add that I found where Wickerman got his entire post from. Here it is ... he nearly copied it word-for-word, and at certain points, he DID:

http://www.answers.com/topic/drizzt-do-urden

Sad.

Wicker- Dont you know that you are supposed to post a bibliography with all your posts. 😠

Originally posted by Wickerman
Finland rocks droolio
And yeah.....back in my WW2 studying days i was like "Woah.....dude.....awesome" . 😉

Hey DC, didn't you make that Wolverine vs. Forgotten Realms characters thread?

~wickerman~

It does 😄.

Yeah, I made the thread. Drizzt is uber.