Carnage vs Storm

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
.5km away isn't that far for someone with super speed. If that were an average person there, well...

Carnage would need to hit 180kph instantly from a dead start to cover that distance in 10 sec tho.

He can fire tendrils. Note that I'm not giving him the majority, I'm just saying.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He can fire tendrils. Note that I'm not giving him the majority, I'm just saying.

she could just fly up high and fry him all day with lightning

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He can fire tendrils. Note that I'm not giving him the majority, I'm just saying.

Not going to help him, Storm can take to the air in an instant. She would have to act like a moron to loose this one.
"Oh a spiderman lookalike symbiote. What was his name again? I guess I`ll let him get close"

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
.5km away isn't that far for someone with super speed. If that were an average person there, well...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

On another note that I still don't think has been addressed that well:

That's Wembley stadium. Multiply the distance between the goals by 5 and we have the distance between the two. Can someone post something to indicate that they'd even be able to see each other at the start of the match?

Cresh has a point about the .5km thing, but when I made this thread was that rule even intact? I don't remember the distance specified. I was thinking about 100m (which is more than 100 yards) at a distance like that, it would be actually even greater. I wonder why the distance is so great. That would make sense for characters like Superman or SS, but for lower level characters it is a bit silly. Carnage is incredibly fast, but he isn't Superman fast.

Originally posted by Starscream M
you gotta be joking if you think carnage can beat storm

she could just fly up high and fry him all day with lightning

A lot of Storm's abilities will be hard pressed to put him down for good, he's too tough. Although if she takes off he can't do much but hide and wait, or possibly cloak, but who knows.

Do people even bother reading what I said. Carnage can beat Storm definitely, but I'm not giving either any majority.

I think you need to take your own fanboy test soon c-master.

I did, passed with flying colors (might take it with Iron Man). My intents on the match wasn't that far when I made the thread in 05. So what's the problem? I'm not big on using numbers, but most agreed with me then and for the most part Storm supporters disagree then and now. I even changed my stance on the match. Do people bother reading posts anymore?

It's pretty simple really. If he's closer he wins, the further away they start she has a higher chance of winning. But she isn't auto-connecting all of her hits to someone who is quicker and can camo. The attacks she does are still operated by a person who has relatively normal reaction times and a lot of her attacks can be aimed dodged. It only takes about 1 hit to kill her, and it takes more the other way. If she's high in the air there isn't much he can do. Unless he does camo, but he's not as prone to do that for the most part, it depends.

Now Cyclops would be different because he really does have improbable aiming. He could keep hitting Carnage rather consistently from that far a distance. Storm's winning isn't from her attacks as much as it is from her chances of keeping a far away enough distance.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Not going to help him, Storm can take to the air in an instant. She would have to act like a moron to loose this one.
"Oh a spiderman lookalike symbiote. What was his name again? I guess I`ll let him get close"

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Cresh has a point about the .5km thing, but when I made this thread was that rule even intact? I don't remember the distance specified. I was thinking about 100m (which is more than 100 yards) at a distance like that, it would be actually even greater. I wonder why the distance is so great. That would make sense for characters like Superman or SS, but for lower level characters it is a bit silly. Carnage is incredibly fast, but he isn't Superman fast.

Originally posted by Digimark
[b]Concerning the Battlefield
Unless otherwise stated by the thread originator, the standard distance between combatants will be .5 kilometers in line of sight at the onset of battle, and there will be an implied "buzz" to signify the onset of battle. It will be assumed combatants are primed to go at the gun.[/b]

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Carnage is also a lot more durable and quicker. I don't see her nailing him nonstop with lightning or any of that. Carnage is faster than Spider-Man and we argued that Spider-Man would be best taken out by the cold because most of the abilities are useless against him (he does have SS though).

A lot of Storm's abilities will be hard pressed to put him down for good, he's too tough. Although if she takes off he can't do much but hide and wait, or possibly cloak, but who knows.

Do people even bother reading what I said. Carnage can beat Storm definitely, but I'm not giving either any majority.

Using these winds she can hold him in place and fry him. Or she can cause a rapid succession of thunderclaps.

By spinning him rapidly in place she can keep him disoriented.

While there are a number of people storm doesn't haev a chance against, most of the lower level characters really don't stand a chance against a bloodlusted storm who can control the battlefield.

Damn. That distance is larger than I imagined. Thanks Cresh. I'm saving that image.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'd give Storm the majority. Hell I'd say she stomps. She's a lot more versitile. She can freeze him in a block of ice by causing hurricane force winds to lift him up into the atmosphere, flash freezing him.

Using these winds she can hold him in place and fry him. Or she can cause a rapid succession of thunderclaps.

By spinning him rapidly in place she can keep him disoriented.

While there are a number of people storm doesn't haev a chance against, most of the lower level characters really don't stand a chance against a bloodlusted storm who can control the battlefield.

Many of of those tactics work well if she gets them off first was where I was going with it. If she is far in the air at that distance, there isn't much he can do. Carnage up at a closer range would have a far better chance, or if he turned invisible. I don't see where the argument really is.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I did, passed with flying colors (might take it with Iron Man).

That's like saying you passed your own coolness test.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
My intents on the match wasn't that far when I made the thread in 05. So what's the problem? I'm not big on using numbers, but most agreed with me then and for the most part Storm supporters disagree then and now. I even changed my stance on the match. Do people bother reading posts anymore?

There was a time when It was believed by the medical community that sickness was caused by an imbalance of humors in the body, bad smells, and demons.

And it was widely believed by a large number of people.

We now know that the medical community of back then was wrong and that despite the large amount of support they were still wrong.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It's pretty simple really. If he's closer he wins, the further away they start she has a higher chance of winning. But she isn't auto-connecting all of her hits to someone who is quicker and can camo. The attacks she does are still operated by a person who has relatively normal reaction times and a lot of her attacks can be aimed dodged. It only takes about 1 hit to kill her, and it takes more the other way. If she's high in the air there isn't much he can do. Unless he does camo, but he's not as prone to do that for the most part, it depends.

Even if you want to say its sort of like the ability to detect a person's precence from the change in air pressure that high level marttial artists can do.

Plus there's the whole battlefield control thing where she doesn't have to let him dodge by attacking with area of effect attacks.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Now Cyclops would be different because he really does have improbable aiming. He could keep hitting Carnage rather consistently from that far a distance. Storm's winning isn't from her attacks as much as it is from her chances of keeping a far away enough distance.

Storm isn't dodging machine gun rate fire on the floor *that* easily. I think you need an anti-fanboy test for Spider-Man related characters.

Sure he'd rip apart characters like Beast and nightcrawler... but he's going to have a difficult time touching storm.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I know it's intact now man. I remember classic debates on characters like Cyke vs Wolverine and the distance was never specified. Like back in 05.

Many of of those tactics work well if she gets them off first was where I was going with it. If she is far in the air at that distance, there isn't much he can do. Carnage up at a closer range would have a far better chance, or if he turned invisible. I don't see where the argument really is.

I'm not sure how much pvp in games you've done where people turn invisible. But AOE damage isn't negated by invisibility.

It would be more difficult at a closer range, and impossible for her if you start them ion top of each other.

But she still has the versitility of a powerset that allows her to deal with him.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Didn't you come up with the standards for that?

That's like saying you passed your own coolness test.

It doesn't matter what happened previously or whom agrees with whom.

There was a time when It was believed by the medical community that sickness was caused by an imbalance of humors in the body, bad smells, and demons.

And it was widely believed by a large number of people.

We now know that the medical community of back then was wrong and that despite the large amount of support they were still wrong.

It may sound stupid but she is able to use her mutant power to detect things differently.

Even if you want to say its sort of like the ability to detect a person's precence from the change in air pressure that high level marttial artists can do.

Plus there's the whole battlefield control thing where she doesn't have to let him dodge by attacking with area of effect attacks.

I think you're really over estimating Cassidy's chances with storm.

Sure he'd rip apart characters like Beast and nightcrawler... but he's going to have a difficult time touching storm.

Of who would win against whom? Why are you countering what I said, he insinuated I should take it, other members reviewed it and agreed with it completely. No different than when I do the same. I didn't rate it myself. Talk to the champ who insinuated it.

Numbers don't matter much in the end, but I don't like when people try to twist my posts and make it seem like I'm the only person here saying Carnage stomps. When I didn't say that anyways. Not on these last pages which are as far as I can remember back.

You and I have had this argument before. These types of characters don't have solid win/loss ratios against other characters because their abilities are different and some work better than others. Beast and Nightcrawler are easy, but Storm doesn't win in a closer bout. He has held off the FF, Spider-Man and Venom. Also Firestarter, Cap and Cloak as well. 2 characters who can fly in the manner you suggest and use fire, which is his main weakness. He is incredibly difficult to hurt with much anything else. Harsh winds might get in his way but they won't put them out. Lighting will hurt but it will probably take more than one. Plus these attacks are being used by a person who has normal reflexes (relatively). Storm has more potential than say, Cyclops, but I'd give him the win more often than not because of his attack and his improbable aiming skills.

Storm has a much greater chance, especially at .5 km, but to say she wins in a close up match is well...

Yes, the issue of storm connecting attacks against superfast characters on the level of spider-man is moot. She can fry the entire battlefield with a massive lightning storm. In fact she doesn't even need to guide them. In a featureless enviroment the tallest thing standing would be carnage, so he'd atract the all lightning to himself. Alternativelly she can make lightning rise from the earth to the atmosphere going through him wherever he is. He ain't hiding from her either as she can see the world as a bunch of patterns and anything with a nervous system stands out.

Not a featureless environment, more like a city... Storm's chances are reduced somewhat.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

For all sakes and purposes this is a normal inhabited area,

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Of who would win against whom? Why are you countering what I said, he insinuated I should take it, other members reviewed it and agreed with it completely. No different than when I do the same. I didn't rate it myself. Talk to the champ who insinuated it.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Numbers don't matter much in the end,

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
but I don't like when people try to twist my posts and make it seem like I'm the only person here saying Carnage stomps.

You could be right and he wins and the majority could be wrong.
You could be right and he wins and the majority could be right.
You could be wrong and he loses and the majority could be wrong.
You could be wrong and he loses and the majority could be right.

But a person is never right for the reason is that the majority says anything.

Because the majority could be right or wrong themselves.

That's why there are seemingly contradicting fallcies.
Argument from the popular "... because the majority agrees with me."
Argument form pigheadedness "... because the majority is wrong."

The reason is illogical, even if the conclusion is correct.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
When I didn't say that anyways. Not on these last pages which are as far as I can remember back.

But that doesn't mean impartiality either. As a peroson could say that they wouldn't give the majority to either galactus or wolverine.

Wolverine getting 1/10 against galactus is redunkulous to say the least.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You and I have had this argument before. These types of characters don't have solid win/loss ratios against other characters because their abilities are different and some work better than others. Beast and Nightcrawler are easy, but Storm doesn't win in a closer bout.[/]b

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
[B] He has held off the FF, Spider-Man and Venom.

This doesn't negate Storm's powerset or the forum rules.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Also Firestarter, Cap and Cloak as well. 2 characters who can fly in the manner you suggest

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and use fire, which is his main weakness. He is incredibly difficult to hurt with much anything else. Harsh winds might get in his way but they won't put them out.

Don't be ridiculous.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Lighting will hurt but it will probably take more than one. Plus these attacks are being used by a person who has normal reflexes (relatively). Storm has more potential than say, Cyclops, but I'd give him the win more often than not because of his attack and his improbable aiming skills.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Storm has a much greater chance, especially at .5 km, but to say she wins in a close up match is well...

If she can get her winds up before Carnage's attacks connect she wins. If not he wins. But he would have to be within a certain distance.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Not a featureless environment, more like a city... Storm's chances are reduced somewhat.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
For all sakes and purposes .. bloodlust is on, no CIS.

Storm's chances are not reduced. In fact Carnage's chances are reduced.

That wierd electrovision she has and being able to sense wind pressure negates his invisibility.

Remember he has to get ot her before she gets her winds up.

She has far more power than he does.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm not saying you'd fail it. or that you did fail it. I'm just saying that you saying you passed it is unconvincing as you set what the standards are and therefore could pass your own test easily.

.5km is a pretty sttep number to just ignore.

It doesn't matter if you're the only one or if a million people say it. It doesn't change the facts.

You could be right and he wins and the majority could be wrong.
You could be right and he wins and the majority could be right.
You could be wrong and he loses and the majority could be wrong.
You could be wrong and he loses and the majority could be right.

But a person is never right [b]for the reason is that the majority says anything.

Because the majority could be right or wrong themselves.

That's why there are seemingly contradicting fallcies.
Argument from the popular "... because the majority agrees with me."
Argument form pigheadedness "... because the majority is wrong."

The reason is illogical, even if the conclusion is correct.

And I never said you said that he stomps. I recall distinctly that you're rather on the fence.

But that doesn't mean impartiality either. As a peroson could say that they wouldn't give the majority to either galactus or wolverine.

Wolverine getting 1/10 against galactus is redunkulous to say the least.

Depends on how close. If its enough for her to summon up her winds she doesn't have to dodge, just deflect or block.

At the forum default distence or even one football stadium length he really doesn't stand a chance. as he's not a pure speedster type.

Name dropping doesn't mean anyhting. Both characters have encounteered powerful villians and other heros that the other has and that the other hasn't.

This doesn't negate Storm's powerset or the forum rules.

In the manner I suggest? You make it sound like its only my opinion that storm uses wind to fly.

Because he weighs more that a hurricane can lift?

Don't be ridiculous.

I'd give storm more wins than I would cyclops against carnage.

As I said depends on how close. She can still stomp at closer than .5 km

If she can get her winds up before Carnage's attacks connect she wins. If not he wins. But he would have to be within a certain distance. [/B]

Not really. I set that test up ages ago for a Wolverine fan who wanted me to. It was never even intended for me or anyone else. Actually it was originally for Wolverine an it evolved from there with more names on the list. It was a simple "who could win against who" thread. Nothing that I sneakily stacked into my favor. It was also graded by other members, so I fail to see your point as I wasn't the one who brought it up originally, lol. I was just the one picked out the group in this thread, but I should be used to that anyways.

I was talking about numbers with people and not with the distance. So we're just violently agreeing. Of course Wolverine winning 1/10 against Galactus is crazy, but that's neither here nor there. Carnage can kill Storm with one good hit up close and can fire off like a machine gun.

Winds can lift him but what else? Not much.

Depends on the distance. I was actually talking about holding back Cyke to boot.

I gave her a lower chance on a featured environment becuase he wouldn't be the only thing there and there are numerous things to use as obstacles to hide with, like buildings. Of course she could fling stuff but it wouldn't have a major lasting effect on him.

Are you saying character's history and feats don't matter in a forum? While I agree that they aren't end all and be all, they do play some weight as to showing how a character stacks up to types of attacks. Many things that Storm uses won't have much of an effect on him, especially not after one blast. She has a larger array of attacks, but Carnage is a physical beast that tends to perform well against several types of attacks, so it isn't cut and dry.

But I really can't sit and argue point for point semantics anymore like I used to, I just don't have the time. It is apparent that you know as well as I do that the closer they are her chances of winning are reduced. I have to do inventory and maintenance so I'll be leaving soon old friend.

So I'll keep my following posts simple. Does anybody think that her chances are any better the closer they are to one another?

That is what this comes down to, and all that I was simply saying.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Not really. I set that test up ages ago for a Wolverine fan who wanted me to.

None of that changes who set it up.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It was never even intended for me or anyone else. Actually it was originally for Wolverine an it evolved from there with more names on the list. It was a simple "who could win against who" thread. Nothing that I sneakily stacked into my favor.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It was also graded by other members, so I fail to see your point as I wasn't the one who brought it up originally, lol. I was just the one picked out the group in this thread, but I should be used to that anyways.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I was talking about numbers with people and not with the distance. So we're just violently agreeing. Of course Wolverine winning 1/10 against Galactus is crazy, but that's neither here nor there. Carnage can kill Storm with one good hit up close and can fire off like a machine gun.

His reaction has to be relevant.

Take for example some one who can catch bullets but has no travel speed.

It doesn't matter if he can catch all the bullets of 30 men surrounding him with fully automatics, if he can't catch a single bullet fired at a target he's supposed to save if the event in question is a mile away.

Likewise it doesn't matter how fast carnage can react if he's too far away for storm to get her winds up.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Winds can lift him but what else? Not much.

While immobilized his ability to dodge is reduced to nothing.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Depends on the distance. I was actually talking about holding back Cyke to boot.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I gave her a lower chance on a featured environment becuase he wouldn't be the only thing there and there are numerous things to use as obstacles to hide with, like buildings. Of course she could fling stuff but it wouldn't have a major lasting effect on him.

Again, we have Storm's elecrtovision that helps her see and manipulate electrons to produce lightning. He is seen as an electrical source due to the way the nervous system works.

Bloodlusted storm wouldn't care about collatoral damage or being subtle. She could tear the evironment around her and the other inhabitants apart.

She could flood the entire area with lightning.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Are you saying character's history and feats don't matter in a forum?

Storm's knowledge of taking out sentinals won't help as Carnage is not like a sentinal.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
While I agree that they aren't end all and be all, they do play some weight as to showing how a character stacks up to types of attack. Many things that Storm uses won't have much of an effect on him, especially not after one blast.

"So what if winds lift him, they won't do much else." Which aside from being incorrect due to friction, sheer factor and the llike implies that the wind would be all she'd use for example.

"Galactus may be tall, but that'll just delay wolverine from getting to his eye's and not much else."

Because his height is all he's going to use...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But I really can't sit and argue point for point anymore like I used to, I just don't have the time. It is apparent that you know as well as I do that the closer they are her chances of winning are reduced. I have to do inventory and maintenance so I'll be leaving soon old friend.

"The less durable galactus is the less of a chance he has against wolverine."

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So I'll keep my following posts simple. [b]Does anybody think that her chances are any better the closer they get together?

That is what this comes down to, and all that I was simply saying. [/B]

"A depowered galactus the size of a human with human durability tied to a chair and blindfolded while ganged and earplugs in wouldn't stand a chance against wolverine!"

which would be irrelevant to Wolverine ve Galactus with default stipulations.