Thing vs. Cyclops

Originally posted by Wynndar
No...actually when he was found in space after he survived the explosion that destroyed Ego, Richards mentioned explicitely how his body was durable enough to survive decompression. His bio in the past handbooks have also stated that his soft tissues r proportionately stronger and tougher and that his five senses including vision r capable of experiencing far more stimulation than a humans.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Im not saying he is better. There isnt any conclusive evidence to say one is better than the other. Thing is mentally touger though. And he has been the leader of the FF....since most X-Fans r ignorant about F4, they have no idea that Thing was the leader of the F4 for quite some time...like I said, he lead them through the Beyonders story arch.

Heh....mentally tougher....😱

uhhh....his bio refers to his soft tissues...this includes his eyes. Basically they r saying every part of him is more durable. He's sruvived the rigors of space, been to the bootom of the ocean and fought Namor, even been enveloped in molten rock. His eyes r not particularly vulnerable.

Mentally tougher my foot.

How many times has Scott seen Jean die? Or had her die in his arms?

Hah...Thing being mentally tougher...psshaw.

Wait, maybe he literally meant "mentally tougher" as in Thing's brain is physically more tough than Cyclops.

That has to be the case, because otherwise he's really wrong.

Having someone die doesnt mean ur mentally strong. Its just a passive experience. Thing has suffered loss. The loss of his family members growing up, especially his older brother. He had his heart broken when he came back from the secret wars to see Johnny with Alicia. His girlfriend on the beyonder's planet died on him too. Then Sharon Ventura turned on him and tried to kill him. Later on she attempted suicide and Grimm thought she was dead. Then Thing went on a suicide mission to kill Doom.

Grimm had Richards kill him so that Doom couldnt use his body to hurt Johnny...and then he actually died....so thats a good example of sacrifice.

And oh yea...GRIMM LOST HIS HUMANITY WHEN HE BECAME THE THING.

I dont see how u could try to say the Thing doesnt have it harder than a primadonna like cyclops.

Anyway, mental toughness is when Thing comes back from near death and still brings it against his opponents. Cyclops isnt half as tough as the Thing, he's a fairy.

A primadonna?

Cyclops was joined together with Apocalypse, who is perhaps the most evil being in history.

He did it out of free will, to save his team members.

Soft tissues is very vague - it doesn't really refer to the eyes. Besides the force beams that Cyclops emits have been diffracted like light by transparent substances before, most recently by Danger. His lens and cornea aren't opaque. Force would pass through the pupil and destroy the retina.

Well thats your speculation. You wont believe Thing has durable eyes till he has a soliloquy about it in a comic even though his bio states that all the tissues of his being have highly increased strength and toughness and that his 5 senses can take increased stimulation. His eyes r not a weak point. Guess what...Cyclop's whole body is a weak point!

This is all speculation. Don't get all testy. His eyes are proportionally more durable. But proportional to what? Marginally less than e.g his arm is somewhat an understatement when you consider the proportional durability of musculature and bone to fluid filled eye. You saying a tight beam focusing all of optic blast force at a point won't penetrate Thing, when Wolverine who can generate a miniscule fraction of that force can isn't speculation.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Besides the force beams that Cyclops emits have been diffracted like light by transparent substances before, most recently by Danger. His lens and cornea aren't opaque. Force would pass through the pupil and destroy the retina.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
This is all speculation. Don't get all testy. His eyes are proportionally more durable. But proportional to what? Marginally less than e.g his arm is somewhat an understatement when you consider the proportional durability of musculature and bone to fluid filled eye. You saying a tight beam focusing all of optic blast force at a point won't penetrate Thing, when Wolverine who can generate a miniscule fraction of that force can isn't speculation.

No...we r talking marginally less durable than his skin. I didnt say anything about his bone which is obviously insanely strong. However his skin is highly durable...durable enough to survive Cyke's blasts. I can only speculate that his eyes r as well. Although Thing was bleeding in his fight with Blastaar....but Blastaar is a whole different story from Cyclops. And every single inch of Cyclop's body is highly vulnerable to the weakest of Thing's attacks.

Cyclops has cracked through Onslaught's armor, though.

Good point. But did he really or was it an illusion. And it wasnt the evolved version of Onslaught was it?

So Thing has cataracts?

No....actually his sense of vision is superior to most because it can endure much more stimuluation.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Besides the force beams that Cyclops emits have been diffracted like light by translucent substances before, most recently by Danger. Thing's lens and cornea aren't opaque. Force would pass through the pupil and destroy the retina.

I don't think you're taking into account that Thing has HEART....you hear me Xmarksthespot?? THING HAS HEART!

...Cyclops doesn't? 🤨

Reed said Thing's heart was so powerful, it could blink universes out of existance. That's a lot of heart.

Professor X once told Scott that his heart was so powerful, it can create entire universes into existance. Now THAT'S a lot of heart.