Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
Iron is what makes our blood red. Some living things have different metals in their transport system, for example, crabs & crustaceans use copper in their transport system which gives them blue blood, and sea shrimps have green blood as they use the metal vanadium. Different metals give different colours.So although the hulk may have green blood it is unclear that he contains any kind of iron in his bloodstream, but his blood is "colored" which means some type of "metal" is contained in his bloodstream. The hulk contains "some type" of metal in his bloodstream and if not he would be indeed "dead" or seriously weakened..
Because of hulk's physical size and immense strength the metal in his blood has to indeed increase from Banners to a new more abundant capacity just to compensate for his physically "super" body, thus making him a walking posterboard of metal and an easier target for Magneto...Saying Magneto can't control Hulk's body is like saying he can't move a 1000lb metal object, just because hulk has immense strength doesn't affect his ability to be tossed around by Magneto, that goes beyond "physical strength" and unless the hulk can somehow decrease the metal in his blood then he can't stop himself from being moved by Magneto, not anyform of physical strength the hulk can think of can stop him from being moved by Magneto's powers, in order to display his unique "infinite strength" he needs an animate object or something he can exert his immese force upon, something than can be touched physically BUT in Magneto's case his magnetism is inanimate and cannot be "touched" physically thus disabling the hulk from any physical resistance.whatsoever.
That a very good assumption...Hulk is obviously increased in mass from Banner and has more blood...however, Hulk and Banner do not share the same physical mass...each respective body exists in a pocket dimension while not in our reality...all this has already been explained. Thus there is still reason to argue if whether or not Hulk has Iron in his blood, since he doesnt have Banner's blood, and he doesnt have a metabolism that relies on oxygen like ours. What do u mean Hulk would not be able to resist Magneto's power? Magneot's power is not infinite or ultimate...if that were the case, he would be moving solar systems like molecule man! Even if he were able to effect the Hulk's blood, it would still be a dispute of who could release the most power, and we obviously know this is the Hulk.
Power has different levels and also each form of power works in different levels. Intelligence can be considered power but wut is intelligence if someone way bigger standing in front of you pumbles you? in that same sense, wut is tha power of strength against tha power of magnetism? it is meager..thats wut it is.
Hulk may have supreme strength, just like someone can have supreme intelligence. but pit them against each other carrying no weapons and hulk would dominate.
However thinking strength is tha supreme power is foolish in comic sense since everything is possible in comics. thus we have characters with tha power to control anything magnetic like magneto...whose powers are a lot more effective than strength.
Wyndar: I totally don't understand "anything" you just said, its like you missed my point entirely...
What does Magneto's power being infinate or ultimate have to do with ANYTHING I just said..In all due respect I never said anything of Magneto's power being infinite or ultimate, I did say however that it was "inanimate" it cannot be touched on "this" physical plain, i.e it cannot be touched by any form of physicality whatsoever..The hulk's power is based solely on him having to exert "physical" contact on anything that "takes up matter" in magneto's case his powers take up no matter and can't be touched by the hulk...
However Magneto "can" indeed control the hulk's blood, whether or NOT Iron is/is not in his blood is completely irrevelant because we DO know that some form of metal is in hulk's blood, no matter what kind..It wouldn't be colored if not...EVERY thing in existence that CONTAINS blood has some type of metal in their bloodstream ,That's where Magneto would gain the advantage, the METAL in hulks blood..So what the hulk doesn't show fatigue or metabolistic qualities, he has blood doesn't he and if he has blood then HE HAS metal in it which colors it green..
The increase in the metal in hulk's blood will amplify by (lets say) 100 when he makes the dramatic change from Banner to hulk thus making him a walking 1000lb pile of metal..What do you mean the hulk can release more power, like I said "physical power" is irrelevant against something that cannot be touched(Magneto's power), so the hulk can't develop "any" form of resistance UNLESS he can decrease the metal in his bloodstream "which he can't"...The hulk would basically be swinging at nothing in midair while magneto lifts him to his hearts content...
the whole blood thing, for me has been brought into a new perspective. i was aware previously that metal was a transport system for mamals but i wasnt aware that everything that has blood has some sort of metal in them. that being said it wouls make sense that the hulk would indeed be a walking thousand pound pile of metal for though he is super strong, he's not exactly like the blob who can render himself immovable.
its pure logic that once the hulk is met with equal or greater force, he would get tossed around. this also makes me re-think the whole wrapping him in metal thing. if magneto does this who actually beleives that he's gonna send him into space at low rates of speed, or at least slow enough for him to bust free?
to give you an example(albiet abstract) in the TPB Cable and Deadpool cable wrapped lightmaster in metal with his telekinesis and sent him to the moon before he could literally finish a sentence. we all know that magneto's control over the metals identically resembles telekinesis, whats stopping him from achieving the same effect? even if he couldnt do it as fast as cable the Earth's atmosphere ends little over 60 miles up. Im sure he could send him in orbit in no less than 5 secs.
Originally posted by theflyxx
You didn't answer my question.
yes, theflyxx, Mags has proven on multiple occasions in the comics that he can manipulate someone using only the iron in their blood. Granted they were only mutants, X-men to be exact, he still did it. And if hulk even as much iron as the X-men, Mags could control him also. It doesn't matter how physically strong Hulk is, because once mags uses the iron to lift him off the ground, his strenght is completely irrelevant. THe only thing that would matter then would be his weight, and we all know Hulk does not weigh more than Mags is capable of moving.
U KNOW WHAT I THINK, I THINK THAT U PEOPLE ARE GOIN TOO MUCH IN THE LAWS OF PHYSICS. U KNOW I BET U THAT NO COMIC BOOK ARTIST OR CHARACTER MAKER HAS EVER THOUGHT TOO MUCH ABOUT PHYSICS WHEN THEY ARE MAKING OR DETERMINING THE MOVES OF A CHARACTER IN A COMIC. ANY WAYS IF COMICS RELIED SO MUCH ON PHYSICS THAN THE MASTER OF MAGNETEISM COULD JUST NULIFY THE "MAGNETIC FORCE" SURROUNDING THE POLES OF MOLECULES IN MATTERA{one of the four principal forces that creata matter and space namely strong nuclear, weak nuclear, electro MAGNETIC and gravitational force} this would star a chain reaction whic would crush that matter out of existance. but thisll never happen cause PHYSICS ISNT EXACLY WHAT THE WRITERS THINK OF{thas y they are called COMICS FER HEAVEN'S SAKE}
Originally posted by turboman1691
yes, theflyxx, Mags has proven on multiple occasions in the comics that he can manipulate someone using only the iron in their blood. Granted they were only mutants, X-men to be exact, he still did it. And if hulk even as much iron as the X-men, Mags could control him also. It doesn't matter how physically strong Hulk is, because once mags uses the iron to lift him off the ground, his strenght is completely irrelevant. THe only thing that would matter then would be his weight, and we all know Hulk does not weigh more than Mags is capable of moving.
actualy he didn´t use it only in mutants he has killed many humans by controling the iron in they´re blood. so it doens´t matter if you are a mutant or a human or whatever, he can control the iron in someones blood period. hulk included.