Then you clearly don't agree.
As I've stated before (I know this won't do a thing to convice you, but I try anyway for the good of the universe), Psylocke is the #1 assassin in Japan because of her martial arts skills. She's been fighting without a healing factor her whole life.
Wolverine, on the other hand, has relied very much on his healing factor and won't be used to pain and damage ACTUALLY STAYING WITH HIM throughout the fight. It will just get worse for him, too.
Especially now that his limbs can break. Psylocke will break every bone is Logan's body.
I dare you to argue that without his healing factor Logan would've survived this.
http://www.mutanthigh.com/games/martialarts/fight1.html
That's right. Without his healing factor, Logan would've been dead. Twice even. And Psylocke could've smacked Silver Samurai down.
She wins. Hands down.
ur tlaken about a veyr old fight wolverine sicne then has taken sameri down in seconds with out even taken a hit. also wolverine knows he cna take it so no piont in dodging it. also u beign number one assassin good and all but wolverine the deadliest mutant on the planet stated many times. also if I not mistake which i dought I am he helped train phylocke. also wolverine ahs many times not ahd a healing factor. he had it taken away a number of times. with out any powers he was able to take out villain still he just relized he had to dodge more. also wolverine well dieng form posion because he no longer had his healing factor in a weaken state for months manage to take down msot all of his villain and also other villains in battle. so no i give this to wolverine hands down. look at there states wolverine has more skill he level 7 I not even sure if phylock is a 6. so no wolverine will win
You think Wolverine is more deadly than Magneto? Or Professor X (not holding back of course)? Or Phoenix? Or Storm? Or Scarlet Witch?
Hell, man. I could go on and on over the list of mutants much more deadly than Wolverine.
I'm almost positive (which says a lot more than you thinking you haven't made a mistake) that Wolverine had nothing to do with Psylocke's training.
Psylocke has fought without a healing factor much longer than Wolverine has without one.
Originally posted by wolverine8888
wolverine will not die to the piosin with his will alone he was able to survive month with it when he did not have his healing factor
I thought that when the High Evolutionary took away Earth mutant's power, it was only for days?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Then you clearly don't agree.As I've stated before (I know this won't do a thing to convice you, but I try anyway for the good of the universe), Psylocke is the #1 assassin in Japan because of her martial arts skills. She's been fighting without a healing factor her whole life.
I wouldn't consider her the TOP martial artist, especially in Japan considering she's been stalemated by a former Shield agent that was at the time during the fight with the Harriers and even taken down by her brother at HTH.
Wolverine, on the other hand, has relied very much on his healing factor and won't be used to pain and damage ACTUALLY STAYING WITH HIM throughout the fight. It will just get worse for him, too.Especially now that his limbs can break. Psylocke will break every bone is Logan's body.
When his healing was overtaxed and stopped working momentarily, he had plenty of experience of his newly found mortality. And he's known pain all his life (healing doesn't null this). With adamantium, his bones won't be breaking. He ain't a shabby fighter either so she's not going to take him easy [with or without adamantium].
Twice even. And Psylocke could've smacked Silver Samurai down.She wins. Hands down.
Silver Samurai is an accomplished fighter in his own right. With his armor, he was still almost as fast as the ronin Yukio, who's incredibly agile and a skilled warrior in her own right. Without armor, he was able to compete no problem with Spiderwoman (first one).
Originally posted by radioboy121
I thought that when the High Evolutionary took away Earth mutant's power, it was only for days?I wouldn't consider her the TOP martial artist, especially in Japan considering she's been stalemated by a former Shield agent that was at the time during the fight with the Harriers and even taken down by her brother at HTH.
When his healing was overtaxed and stopped working momentarily, he had plenty of experience of his newly found mortality. And he's known pain all his life (healing doesn't null this). With adamantium, his bones won't be breaking. He ain't a shabby fighter either so she's not going to take him easy [with or without adamantium].
Silver Samurai is an accomplished fighter in his own right. With his armor, he was still almost as fast as the ronin Yukio, who's incredibly agile and a skilled warrior in her own right. Without armor, he was able to compete no problem with Spiderwoman (first one).
With the Silver Samurai thing though, you understand where I'm coming from, right? Without relying on his mutant abilities and adamantium skeleton, Wolverine would've been dead in that fight. Simple as that.
This hypothetical no powers fight also means he has no adamantium skeleton either, by the way.
And didn't her brother have his super suit when fighting her?
so woolverine new he could take it. when his healign factor wa snot workign he neevr allowed him self to be hit. and yes i pritty sure logan did have soem thign to do with her training. when phylock first jioned the x-men she was not a ninja if u recall she was on the new x-men team. also wolverine for a logn tiem did not know he could heal ebcaus ehis memories were messed with. also as I said www.marvel.com wolverine level 7 phylock is not. are u tryign to say phylock a better fighter then captain?. because wolverine on par with captain in fighting skill or he better. also he taken out people using just pure skill some examples are iron fist and master of kung fu
Originally posted by Metalmanx
With the Silver Samurai thing though, you understand where I'm coming from, right? Without relying on his mutant abilities and adamantium skeleton, Wolverine would've been dead in that fight. Simple as that.This hypothetical no powers fight also means he has no adamantium skeleton either, by the way.
Nach. I got what you're saying, but without healing and adamantium, he might prove more calculating and more pressed in using his trained skills than he usually is (he's can be a good strategist at times). But if he just lost his powers, he definitely will have problems.
And didn't her brother have his super suit when fighting her?
For a period of time with Excalibur, his powers were in fluctuation - sometimes they worked and sometimes not. I believe the fight (somewhat playful) was after he found out she was alive again (believing she died with the other X-Men during the encounter with Adversary) and they had a little match. I can't remember if his abilities were fully working then, but he was able to take her relatively easily (she was trying to even mind read him).
Originally posted by radioboy121
Nach. I got what you're saying, but without healing and adamantium, he might prove more calculating and more pressed in using his trained skills than he usually is (he's can be a good strategist at times). But if he just lost his powers, he definitely will have problems.For a period of time with Excalibur, his powers were in fluctuation - sometimes they worked and sometimes not. I believe the fight (somewhat playful) was after he found out she was alive again (believing she died with the other X-Men during the encounter with Adversary) and they had a little match. I can't remember if his abilities were fully working then, but he was able to take her relatively easily (she was trying to even mind read him).
His powers must've been working then. Captain Britain's hand to hand skills are nearly close to being on par with Psylocke's. Especially if she was trying to read his mind. That means he must've had some superhuman advantages working for him there.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
His powers must've been working then. Captain Britain's hand to hand skills are nearly close to being on par with Psylocke's. Especially if she was trying to read his mind. That means he must've had some superhuman advantages working for him there.
Not necessarily. His powers doesn't counter telepathy. And second, he somehow confused her by thinking in his head a jibberish word to distract her, where he then (in her confusion) took her down. Huntress also did something like this to Archer Braun in Birds of Prey Manhunt, but I still think it's stupid.
Originally posted by radioboy121
Not necessarily. His powers doesn't counter telepathy. And second, he somehow confused her by thinking in his head a jibberish word to distract her, where he then (in her confusion) took her down. Huntress also did something like this to Archer Braun in Birds of Prey Manhunt, but I still think it's stupid.
That's basically what I'm saying. Even if she did know what he was going to do, he had to have superhuman advantages (speed, reflexes, power) in order to defeta her then.
And yea, I think that's pretty stupid, too. Distracting a telepath with a freakin word.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
So we pretty much all agree then.1. Psylocke
2. Wolverine
3. Cyclops
4. Storm
i don't agree with that, I believe cyke should be under storm. the only basis you have is the comic where he fights thugs with his eyes closed. you have basically said this, and it's the only impressive thing you have him doing h2h.
who beat callisto h2h?
who beat marrow h2h while having her mind attacked psionically?
who took on a ton of people h2h in the arena?
who took on kang(master at martial arts) while bleeding to death?
she also took on like 20 of kangs most skilled female fighters after being stabbed in the ribs, and a little paralyzed.
storm has also beaten 2 super-powered criminals from world war 2 h2h and won. and has also given super sabre trouble when she fought him powerless, and he has super-speed. storm killed a man twice her size when she was 12. she has also taken sabertooth by suprise, and knocked him on his ass while powerless, and not to mention she beat cyke while powerless. she has also killed poachers after being shot. storm has also killed a python while drowning, and a fully grown lion and a bear(not sure bout this one)while powerless. I could keep going, but these are off the top of my head. storm is also mor expierenced than cyke in fighting. now tell me, what has cyke done?
thats not storm the bottum picture if im not mistaken is not storm it her body it like a clone of her and it evil last time I checked. and unlike storm she super strong and has many other power at super human level and is far better fighter then storm. but yes be sides that pic storm is more impressive