The best voice ever.

BUT...that is what it's about, favourites. You came in here debating most skilled for some odd reason.

I see that you have a habit of declaring others "idiotic" or "stupid" often, and I find myself in a very logical situation to do the same to you, but I won't, so let me reiterate: I base my favorite vocalists on talent and technical skill. I've told you that before, and I won't say it again, so make sure you remember.

No...really? Because I thought they were better than 99.8% of people in the musical community...

They are better than the majority of singers, Alpha.

He's not "99.8% better than anyone in the music community." good. He's just not.

What a convincing argument. You really are an extremely talented debater, Alpha. We've ran into this before, the last time we had a similar discussion (where you tried to claim Geddy Lee was more skilled than Perry, lmao). You seem to have this quirk about you that we are to just believe what you say, because you say it. "So-and-so is not a factually talented musician" or "Factually, so-and-so is better" without providing any facts.

The expression "prove up, or shut up" comes to mind.

Far from focusing purely on skill, you go overboard because he's your favourite, or one of.

Actually, if I went "overboard", I would have claimed that Perry is miles and miles ahead of everyone else, including Mercury. But I haven't. I have made claims in regards to his range and power that are supportable by evidence.

I'm still on the boat.

Originally posted by Gideon
I see that you have a habit of declaring others "idiotic" or "stupid" often, and I find myself in a very logical situation to do the same to you, but I won't, so let me reiterate: I base my favorite vocalists on talent and technical skill. I've told you that before, and I won't say it again, so make sure you remember.

Yes, I know what you're saying. You can't avoid talking about skill since that's a factor in how you decide, I've known that since you said it. My point being that you seem to think that because you base your personal favourites on objective talent, it makes your favourites any better. You're debating a subjective area with objective criteria.

Originally posted by Gideon
They are better than the majority of singers, Alpha.

Maybe so, but the 90% and up is a bit ridiculous, considering all the singers that exist, if we're discussing skill.

Originally posted by Gideon
What a convincing argument. You really are an extremely talented debater, Alpha. We've ran into this before, the last time we had a similar discussion (where you tried to claim Geddy Lee was more skilled than Perry, lmao). You seem to have this quirk about you that we are to just believe what you say, because you say it. "So-and-so is not a factually talented musician" or "Factually, so-and-so is better" without providing any facts.

The expression "prove up, or shut up" comes to mind.

Geddy Lee is more skilled overall. He may not be technically as good vocally, but he's still pretty good, plus his almost unparalleled instrumental skill. He's the better musician, but that's irrelevant.

Technically speaking, you have the burden of proof since you made the outrageous claim that Steve Perry of Journey is technically more skilled than high 90 percent of the entire musical community of the world.

That's just not true is it? Consider the ramifications of your statement. You get uptight whenever anyone questions Perry, I don't get uptight when people question Buckley, I know how high up he is. You seem to not share the same confidence.

Originally posted by Gideon
Actually, if I went "overboard", I would have claimed that Perry is miles and miles ahead of everyone else, including Mercury. But I haven't. I have made claims in regards to his range and power that are supportable by evidence.

So let me get this straight, you GENUINELY believe that Steve Perry's technical ability puts him about the 90 percent of more of the musical community? You say it's an exaggeration, I'm not so sure you believe that. Technical skill isn't just about range and power either. There are vocalists out there who almost definitely top him in significant other areas. He doesn't hold flawless ability in every area of singing, Gideon.

He hasn't got the versatility of Mike Patton, he doesn't have the range of Mariah, he doesn't have the raw power of a Chris Cornell.

Originally posted by Gideon
I'm still on the boat.

Haha, oh yeah. Cos "overboard".

Journey fans: Representing the highest form of comedy since...since...hmm, when were Journey last relevant? Early Victorian era?

-AC

Alpha, you just said I had nothing to prove by showing a four octave range, that it wouldn't support shit, that's why I don't do it. So why the **** would you act all shitty now because I didn't show it? I could actually care much more how some random dude over the internet with no proven musical knowledge (except his copying skills over Wikipedia) thinks of my range, and how he thinks a four ocatave range is "Supah"

And that is why I won't show it. If you sent me a PM I could do it in private, but not during a debate because as you said, it won't have any bearing apparently. Otherwise it would be up here by now. Stupid!

Now stfu and bye.

Yes, I know what you're saying. You can't avoid talking about skill since that's a factor in how you decide, I've known that since you said it. My point being that you seem to think that because you base your personal favourites on objective talent, it makes your favourites any better. You're debating a subjective area with objective criteria.

"Better" in regards to ability? Yes, it does. I'm not arguing that their music is more creative or superior; I am saying that Steve Perry's power and technical skill (ability) is unquestionable and it is extremely proficient.

Maybe so, but the 90% and up is a bit ridiculous, considering all the singers that exist, if we're discussing skill.

I told you before, it was an exaggeration. Please, don't tell me I have to define that for you.

Geddy Lee is more skilled overall. He may not be technically as good vocally, but he's still pretty good, plus his almost unparalleled instrumental skill. He's the better musician, but that's irrelevant.

You argued that Geddy Lee was the more skilled singer. Please, don't make me go find those quotes and embarrass you in front of all of your eFriends; however, Lee isn't on par Perry as a vocalist. As a musician? Well, hell yes, he's better. Geddy Lee is one of the most talented musicians I've ever heard or seen live, and Rush's might as musicians is also unquestioned, and in that respect, you and I agree.

Technically speaking, you have the burden of proof since you made the outrageous claim that Steve Perry of Journey is technically more skilled than high 90 percent of the entire musical community of the world.

For someone who seems to be so intelligent, you seem to have no idea what an exaggeration is.

That's just not true is it? Consider the ramifications of your statement. You get uptight whenever anyone questions Perry, I don't get uptight when people question Buckley, I know how high up he is. You seem to not share the same confidence.

Please, I argue Perry's skill when it is questioned. Your dumbass assertion that Geddy Lee was a more skilled singer than Perry warranted the argument the first time, and constantly cheapening Perry's unrivaled live talent also warrants me to defend him. You admittedly don't enjoy him or his music, so perhaps you are going overboard with your own opinions in regards to Steve Perry?

So let me get this straight, you GENUINELY believe that Steve Perry's technical ability puts him about the 90 percent of more of the musical community? You say it's an exaggeration, I'm not so sure you believe that. Technical skill isn't just about range and power either. There are vocalists out there who almost definitely top him in significant other areas. He doesn't hold flawless ability in every area of singing, Gideon.

No, I don't genuinely believe that Perry's technical ability puts him ahead of 90% of the "music community". Of the pop and rock genres? Yes, I do, firmly. Of the entire music community? No, I don't.

As far as you trying to assert about what I think, don't waste anymore time.

He hasn't got the versatility of Mike Patton, he doesn't have the range of Mariah, he doesn't have the raw power of a Chris Cornell.

The point is that he excells in all aspects - while certainly not dominating them all. Cornell is no match for Perry in a live environment, nor does he have Perry's control. Mariah certainly is more skilled than Perry, but Patton doesn't dominate him in all aspects either.

Haha, oh yeah. Cos "overboard".

Journey fans: Representing the highest form of comedy since...since...hmm, when were Journey last relevant? Early Victorian era?

Lmao. Are you trying to annoy me by insulting Journey? You really do overestimate my interest in them.

Originally posted by Gideon
"Better" in regards to ability? Yes, it does. I'm not arguing that their music is more creative or superior; I am saying that Steve Perry's power and technical skill (ability) is unquestionable and it is extremely proficient.

You seem to have trouble.

You have an extremely odd, unconventional and in my opinion, silly way of deciding personal favourites. You have odd choice of priority, so you have to respect that for most of us, favourite doesn't apply to technique or vice versa. I'm not denying anybody's ability, but you seem to be after a discussion about who is technically better. Nobody here is.

Originally posted by Gideon
I told you before, it was an exaggeration. Please, don't tell me I have to define that for you.

Oh I get it, I'm just never sure when it comes to you and Perry.

Originally posted by Gideon
You argued that Geddy Lee was the more skilled singer. Please, don't make me go find those quotes and embarrass you in front of all of your eFriends; however, Lee isn't on par Perry as a vocalist. As a musician? Well, hell yes, he's better. Geddy Lee is one of the most talented musicians I've ever heard or seen live, and Rush's might as musicians is also unquestioned, and in that respect, you and I agree.

What are you on about? Did I not just say that Lee may not be as skilled vocally, but he IS very good and is, as a result, the better overall musician? I don't get embarassed, especially since here I'm not contradicting myself.

I'm not even discussing Rush, you brought up Geddy Lee.

Originally posted by Gideon
For someone who seems to be so intelligent, you seem to have no idea what an exaggeration is.

I do, I just realise that exaggerations come from legitimate beliefs, so I'm questioning how thin the line is between the two with regards to your admiration of Perry.

Originally posted by Gideon
Please, I argue Perry's skill when it is questioned. Your dumbass assertion that Geddy Lee was a more skilled singer than Perry warranted the argument the first time, and constantly cheapening Perry's unrivaled live talent also warrants me to defend him. You admittedly don't enjoy him or his music, so perhaps you are going overboard with your own opinions in regards to Steve Perry?

Unrivaled as if there's absolutely nobody better? Is that what you're suggesting? I'm not assuming, I'm asking.

I've specifically said that I won't detract from Perry's ability because I don't enjoy his voice or music, but that doesn't mean you have the inability to overrate the man. He's not often mentioned nowadays, he's not as revered as many who are less able than him, proving that technique isn't really that important if you can't make impact that lasts.

Anyway, this is getting a bit off. Point being; You want to discuss skilled vocalists? I'll do so. Go open a Most Skilled Vocalist thread.

Originally posted by Gideon
No, I don't genuinely believe that Perry's technical ability puts him ahead of 90% of the "music community". Of the pop and rock genres? Yes, I do, firmly. Of the entire music community? No, I don't.

Ok, that's something. Had to be sure, never know with you.

Originally posted by Gideon
As far as you trying to assert about what I think, don't waste anymore time.

It definitely is a waste of time, we agree. For different reasons, but we agree.

Originally posted by Gideon
The point is that he excells in all aspects - while certainly not dominating them all. Cornell is no match for Perry in a live environment, nor does he have Perry's control.

Again, you propose technique. Cornell is powerful, arguable more powerful. Mike Patton is certainly more powerful live, especially since he has performed opera in Italy, which requires massive vocal projection without a mic.

Originally posted by Gideon
Mariah certainly is more skilled than Perry, but Patton doesn't dominate him in all aspects either.

Patton dominates him in versatility and arguably power. As far as range, I don't see it, but he wouldn't be far off, as he can go low and very high.

Originally posted by Gideon
Lmao. Are you trying to annoy me by insulting Journey? You really do overestimate my interest in them.

It was a joke, and I just go with the impression you give.

-AC

When the smoke clears, we agree. Glad to get that settled.

Haha. I like that picture.

-AC

chino from the deftones. his voice is so haunting.

Brad Delp had one of the best voices in my opinion. So Does Don Henley, very good live.

Still waiting for that video of that lad on here; busting out his singing ability we've all heard so much about.......

He bailed out.

-AC

Best voice ever. Off the top, i'd have to say.

hm..

Whitney Houston

Seline Dion

Mmh. Jonhthan David. [Korn] hands down.
With Scooter[Cold] in a close second with corey Taylor. [Slipknot]

Originally posted by Elva
Mmh. Jonhthan David. [Korn] hands down.
With Scooter[Cold] in a close second with corey Taylor. [Slipknot]

Yeah if you like listening to a noise similar to vomiting.

Myles Kennedy...awesome voice.

John Fogerty is another great vocalist, I dont think he is the best or anything, but he sings with alot of passion and sounds good

Originally posted by Pezmerga
John Fogerty is another great vocalist, I dont think he is the best or anything, but he sings with alot of passion and sounds good

Mariah Carey tbh..

Freddie Mercury > Mariah Carey...imo. But to each his or her own.

Frank Sinatra.

Regards, Yvonne