Can Superman Beat Buu?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yes he is. We've shown the evidence of this several times. Superman goes at least 8 times the speed of light.

This is just not true....what sources would that be?
I just remember the JLA issue where superman needed 0.2 Seconds in his Energy Form to get from one point of the earth to another.....and Wally saying that that would be even faster than before...hmm that'S just not Light Speed.....then in another issue he needed a minute to get to the JLA tower...not Light Speed either......
Losing Kara around the moon while talking to Batman doesn't imply above Lightspeed either.....having a problem catching a jumping Doomsday surely isn't lightspeed...sorry it just isn't....Batman beating a person 8 times Lightspeed...right....🙄

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yes, POST the evidence to support your claims.

And you wonder why you are called fanboys. Stop making excuses and make with the proof.

Yes, I know...I was asking for your evidence...you are just fanboying around here....no need for that.....

Originally posted by Bardock42
1. is Bullshit...Superman obviously is not faster than the Speed of Light......

2. Maybe but can Superman do that? And what aboot Genkidama? oh and actually Kid Buu destroyed the earth by Blastin it...not unstable or anything.....(plus Picollo destroyed the moon by Blasting it too.....the only one destroying it the way you say was Freezer and he was weakened and directly on the surface)

3. Yeah right....proof

Not true...they can not be beaten up to that point...the only thing to actually kill a Buu was the Genkidama, a force Superman could never, ever release....look it up Buu regenerated from Basically nothing in Book 41.

5. True Goku is not god. Kid Buu is NOT much weaker than Super Boo though......a little yes...not much though.

1. Lmao please leave this topic fanboy... -_- If you actually knew ANYTHING about the character your argueing about you would know Superman's spped FAR FAR exceeds SOL...

Also it is funny becuase if you read the proof I offered on the other topic.. you would see know Dbz character even comes close to SOL

2a. Kid Buu destroyed the planet by hitting it's core..... Same with Frieza. Frieza stated that becuase he didn't blow up the core instantly the planet had 5 minutes of life left... meaning Frieza blows up planets by htting there cores.

2b. Dbz's moons are much much more fragile then reallife's moon

3. Proof is Superman pshyically had enough power to destroy Earth's moon... and he wasn't even going all out. Also the fact that Base Goku can't lift 40 tons while Superman can easly lift millions of tons.

4. Buu can regenrate but he can only take too much before being knocked out or wiped out... This is proven when Kid Buu beats up on Mr. Buu untill he cannot regenrate, he even loses concioncness... meaning Buu is still vunerable to powerful beatings

5. Kid Buu is much weaker then Super Buu

6. If you need me to show any links or scans... just ask me

1. None sense...never once saw him surpass light speed (well youn could argue once but there's no notion of time so who knows)

I know that DBZ characters come close to Speed of light...I know Superman coes close to Speed of light...but not above...just not above....

2a Not true..the earth was destroyed when it was hit....Vegeta and Goku only had seconds to save themself (seconds meaning something between nothing and a second)

2b. No proof for that....was never once mentioned, you assume that....and it's Bullshit.

3. When? Before or after Crisis? And what circumstances....
Goku had troubles with 40 Tons in his normal form......SSJ as well as Buu succeed that Strength far....very, very far.

4. Fat Buu can...but Superman would never have the amount of Strength it takes to beat Kid Buu. Kid Buu could only do it cause he was much stronger than Fat Buu.

5. Not true. Kid Buu is almost as strong....actually strictly speaking one had to say he's even stronger. It is at least said that he is more dangerous than any other...and his fighting implies that too.

6. You should bring up "evidence" yourself...I shouldn't have to ask.

Originally posted by Bardock42
This is just not true....what sources would that be?
I just remember the JLA issue where superman needed 0.2 Seconds in his Energy Form to get from one point of the earth to another.....and Wally saying that that would be even faster than before...hmm that'S just not Light Speed.....then in another issue he needed a minute to get to the JLA tower...not Light Speed either......
Losing Kara around the moon while talking to Batman doesn't imply above Lightspeed either.....having a problem catching a jumping Doomsday surely isn't lightspeed...sorry it just isn't....Batman beating a person 8 times Lightspeed...right....🙄

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37023&from=thread&pagenumber=2#post5139626

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, I know...I was asking for your evidence...you are just fanboying around here....no need for that.....

Originally posted by Bardock42
1. None sense...never once saw him surpass light speed (well youn could argue once but there's no notion of time so who knows)

Originally posted by Bardock42
I know that DBZ characters come close to Speed of light...I know Superman coes close to Speed of light...but not above...just not above....

Originally posted by Bardock42
2a Not true..the earth was destroyed when it was hit....Vegeta and Goku only had seconds to save themself (seconds meaning something between nothing and a second)

And he was talking about the fight on namek, when Goku first went supersaiyan.

Originally posted by Bardock42
3. When? Before or after Crisis? And what circumstances....
Goku had troubles with 40 Tons in his normal form......SSJ as well as Buu succeed that Strength far....very, very far.

Originally posted by Bardock42
4. Fat Buu can...but Superman would never have the amount of Strength it takes to beat Kid Buu. Kid Buu could only do it cause he was much stronger than Fat Buu.[/]b

Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]5. Not true. Kid Buu is almost as strong....actually strictly speaking one had to say he's even stronger. It is at least said that he is more dangerous than any other...and his fighting implies that too.

Then at present Superman is stronger than any DBZ character. Unless you'd like to show some strong man feats for DBZ.

Originally posted by Bardock42
6. You should bring up "evidence" yourself...I shouldn't have to ask.

Originally posted by Creshosk
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37023&from=thread&pagenumber=2#post5139626

If you're going to use a terminology do it correctly. And also before you accuse of no evidence being shown you'd best have looked at the times when the evidence was presented first. Because YOU just did the fanboy thing of dismissing evidence without reviwing what has already been shown.

Your Link doesn't work.

I will use terminology as I chose....get a sense of humour....I did not dismiss any of the evidence you provided in the thread and I am surely not a fanboy of DBZ.

And where did he go faster than 8 Minutes.....with exact time please...a scan would be nioce.....oh and what aboot all my examples where he clearly could not reach the speed of light if his life depended upon it...

I cannot...so what are you saying, because we cannot prove how fast they went, ever, you must be right?

A joke....

And I was talking aboot the fight with Kid Buu...which might in this case have a little more to do with the topic.....

Scan!

No, just because he never came across a Micro Black Hole (how strong exactly is a micro black hole anyways?) doesn't ean that he cannot contain one.

No, more dangerous means more dangerous meaning more dangerous.....so soeone more dangerous isnt necessarily stronger (although in DB that usually means mor dangerous) but he is more of a threat to everyone, even to superman...so it doesn't matter if Super Buu is stronger...he still has less chance against anyone than Kid Buu.

I am argueing in the Superman vs buu fight...not the Goku vs. Superman fight....evidence regarding this topic has to be posted in here..I will not read 100 pages of another thread jsut cause you say there might be some evidence there.

Please Cresh get a link to that scan and shut him up... anyway i'll be back after doing my homework.... when I get back i'll completly rip your post apart (again) and feed it to you.

Originally posted by TPinaPimp
Please Cresh get a link to that scan and shut him up... anyway i'll be back after doing my homework.... when I get back i'll completly rip your post apart (again) and feed it to you.

Yeah I am looking forward to it.....

I looked at the links on page 55..they are not proving anything (oh except that Superman very much struggles to accelerate to lightspeed)

Originally posted by Hoshi
ki buu survived from the explosion of the earth and many other planets, and if you already studied about the sun you should know that the sun is not as hot as the core of the planet , the sun is about 60000 C ,but kid buu survived the explosion of a planet (earth) that its core is hotter than the sun.And kid buu know instant transmission too

Actually, I'm pretty sure the sun is hotter than the core of a planet. If the core was hotter, this entire planet would be slag and we'd all be dead. Point being, if the sun went red on us (That is, grew in size and cooled) it'd still envelop this planet and destroy it and turn Mars into a blazing desert. So yeah, think through your posts next time.

Sun >>>>>>>> Planetary explosion.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Your Link doesn't work.

I will use terminology as I chose....get a sense of humour....I did not dismiss any of the evidence you provided in the thread and I am surely not a fanboy of DBZ.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And where did he go faster than 8 Minutes.....with exact time please...a scan would be nioce.....oh and what aboot all my examples where he clearly could not reach the speed of light if his life depended upon it...

Originally posted by Bardock42
I cannot...so what are you saying, because we cannot prove how fast they went, ever, you must be right?

Originally posted by Bardock42
A joke....

And I was talking aboot the fight with Kid Buu...which might in this case have a little more to do with the topic.....

Scan!

No, just because he never came across a Micro Black Hole (how strong exactly is a micro black hole anyways?) doesn't ean that he cannot contain one.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, more dangerous means more dangerous meaning more dangerous.....

Originally posted by Bardock42
so soeone more dangerous isnt necessarily stronger (although in DB that usually means mor dangerous) but he is more of a threat to everyone, even to superman...

Originally posted by Bardock42
so it doesn't matter if Super Buu is stronger...he still has less chance against anyone than Kid Buu.

I am argueing in the Superman vs buu fight...not the Goku vs. Superman fight....evidence regarding this topic has to be posted in here..I will not read 100 pages of another thread jsut cause you say there might be some evidence there.

You are clearly dismissing evidence mr BARDOCK.

Originally posted by Illustrious
I guess this doesn't count as proof then... 🙄

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/ww.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/ww1.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/ww3.jpg

A bit slow? Do you not notice the guy that says a minute and 54 seconds? Supes and Wonderman were literally fighting to and back from the sun and it was under 2 minutes.

What are you going to say now? The scan isn't real? LMAO.

If Superman can't go faster than lightspeed, why can Superman Prime move as fast as he can when he's the same Kal-El?

Good job, you can form your opinions based on others, you're sooooo awesome.

I like how you ignored this request:

[b]And I did give you an reason why he could survive, and no you didn't give me a reason why he could fire energy.

I clearly gave you a reason; I just looked back at the thread, and I found no substantiation towards your post, thereby not evidence.

Seriously kid, you need that get out of jail card a lot more than I do. You keep it. You can't even keep your own standpoint consistent.

I also love how you get on your high horse whenever you're in a losing situation, shows great maturity on your part -- isn't that what you try to proclaim as your meal ticket when I'm "childish"?

And thanks for being so compliant with the reply. You clearly must be masochistic. [/B]

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah I am looking forward to it.....

I looked at the links on page 55..they are not proving anything (oh except that Superman very much struggles to accelerate to lightspeed)

I doubt very much so you looked at all the links.

Go look at them again. You are clearly dismissing evidence AGAIN, mr. BARDOCK.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Evidence?...you ever read Dragonbal? Instant Teleportation, Regenaration, Transformation to Chocolate... their Blasts can destroy Planets without a problem.....what did Superman ever do that made you think he could do that? ....not to forget that Buu might even count as a Magic Being (not that he needs to but if he does Superman is double screwed) ...now I am not saying Superman is weak...but most DBZ Characters are so overpowered that he has no chance ever.

I suppose the fact that Superman can move consciously fast enough to vibrate through photons and energy beams, push a planet with his bare hands (and mind you, this is without overexerting his force in the middle so he splits it in two instead of moving it.) , using heat vision that is hotter than Goku has shown resistance to, and withstanding the gravity pressure of not one, but two black holes, I'd say you don't know shit about Superman.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You have dismissed evidence provided already mr [b]BARDOCK

Holding back and PIS are not admisible low end feats.

If you can't prove his speed, you cannot state what his speed is accuratley.

Then why don't you show us a scan where Buu does something equivilent?

[ Cuircular reasoning is not admissible as evidence.

Unproven how dangerous he is to superman.

I told you, page 55.

You are clearly dismissing evidence mr BARDOCK. [/B]

Holding back? Haha, whos dismissing evidence now? Read The Day Superman Died...he surely is not holding back, he struggles catching doomsday someone that is jumping, he isn't holding back while losing Kara, he said that himself. It is neither Superman nor DBZ are consitant, but can you explain how one time he is not able to get a tenth of Superspeed, another he can't go more than Light Speed...and then for some odd reason he can do 8 Times Lightspeed. But anyways, give you that, you are right that he seemed to have gone faster than 8 Times Light Speed (but in the same time showing Wonder Woman doing it jsut shows what a Bullshit comic that is)

Which I didn't, you jsut said he was slower than Superman...you cannot state that either.

It's not circular reasoning..it again was a joke.....but more dangerous means that although he might not be stronger he might be faster, more evil or whatever at least he is more powerful than all the other Buus

More Dangerous than the other buus though.

I told you...you can post what you want to post here.....

Oh and yes...I named myself after a Character of DB (one that has 2 pics the most in them) what are you trying to proof with that?

Originally posted by Deus Ex
I suppose the [B]fact that Superman can move consciously fast enough to vibrate through photons and energy beams, push a planet with his bare hands (and mind you, this is without overexerting his force in the middle so he splits it in two instead of moving it.) , using heat vision that is hotter than Goku has shown resistance to, and withstanding the gravity pressure of not one, but two black holes, I'd say you don't know shit about Superman. [/B]

But you see he's only doing that 1 out of a billion times....we should maybe go by what he is actually doing on a daily basis...and just because some self absorbed author exaggerates his powers (by far too...since it is clearly shown that he never ever uses those feats in a normal fight) he is not able to use that always....seriously..he got beat by Batman (now that should be enough already) but doomsday too, where were his highspeed feats there?

But okay...lets say we agree to this crazily overpowered superman that always in the important moments seems to lose his powers, there is still no evidence that Superman can beat Buu......the only thing known for killing buu was a Super Genkidama supported by the Dragonballs (well Kakarott being supported) ...haven't seen Superman withstand one of them lately either.....so how do you really want to compare that? Can you say how strong exactly a Genkidama of that size is ? As strong as a sun?...more? Maybe 5 Black Holes.....I don't know...you don't know...we can pretty much not argue but on our own opinions...and I juist see no way how Superan could beat Buu..while Superman was beat by people less strong than Buu ....

Originally posted by Bardock42
What evidence posted in this thread?

Holding back? Haha, whos dismissing evidence now? Read The Day Superman Died...he surely is not holding back, he struggles catching doomsday someone that is jumping, he isn't holding back while losing Kara, he said that himself. It is neither Superman nor DBZ are consitant, but can you explain how one time he is not able to get a tenth of Superspeed, another he can't go more than Light Speed...and then for some odd reason he can do 8 Times Lightspeed. But anyways, give you that, you are right that he seemed to have gone faster than 8 Times Light Speed (but in the same time showing Wonder Woman doing it jsut shows what a Bullshit comic that is)

Which I didn't, you jsut said he was slower than Superman...you cannot state that either.

It's not circular reasoning..it again was a joke.....but more dangerous means that although he might not be stronger he might be faster, more evil or whatever at least he is more powerful than all the other Buus

More Dangerous than the other buus though.

I told you...you can post what you want to post here.....

Oh and yes...I named myself after a Character of DB (one that has 2 pics the most in them) what are you trying to proof with that?

Piccolo killed a roughly slow moving Goku with his light of death attack. . . Does that mean that Goku is slow movigng and can be killed by simple energy attacks?

Or is it possible both charaters have improved since then?

What are you seriously arguing from?OBVIOUSLY not objective as you put more effort into discrediting Superman than you do with proving your side.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But you see he's only doing that 1 out of a billion times....we should maybe go by what he is actually doing on a daily basis...and just because some self absorbed author exaggerates his powers (by far too...since it is clearly shown that he never ever uses those feats in a normal fight) he is not able to use that always....seriously..he got beat by Batman (now that should be enough already) but doomsday too, where were his highspeed feats there?

But okay...lets say we agree to this crazily overpowered superman that always in the important moments seems to lose his powers, there is still no evidence that Superman can beat Buu......the only thing known for killing buu was a Super Genkidama supported by the Dragonballs (well Kakarott being supported) ...haven't seen Superman withstand one of them lately either.....so how do you really want to compare that? Can you say how strong exactly a Genkidama of that size is ? As strong as a sun?...more? Maybe 5 Black Holes.....I don't know...you don't know...we can pretty much not argue but on our own opinions...and I juist see no way how Superan could beat Buu..while Superman was beat by people less strong than Buu ....

Please, you still haven't posted ANY evidence. Your word on things is still just hearsay.

Stop dismissing the evidence and please provide some of your own.

No more speculation, hearsay or hyperbole.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Did you seriously just try to use something that happened 10 years ago as evidence to discredit Superman?

Piccolo killed a roughly slow moving Goku with his light of death attack. . . Does that mean that Goku is slow movigng and can be killed by simple energy attacks?

Or is it possible both charaters have improved since then?

What are you seriously arguing from?OBVIOUSLY not objective as you put more effort into discrediting Superman than you do with proving your side.

Now one thing is that Dragonball has only 42 Books you can give evidence from, while there are...what a billion Superman Comics you can give evidence from.

But you are right I can't actually argue modern Superman...the earliest Comics I own are 4 years old...so I guess I was only argueing the Superman of Doomsday time and before turning back from Energy Superman....didn't know that he recently became god......well beating Darkseid should have maybe given it away. But ok...I agree I cannot argue either side anymore (although I don't believe anyone can) and I guess I won't. But that'S seriously sad...Superman at least used to have some point to it...with feats like you describe it it must be boring...I mean can Toyman or Luthor even do anything anymore...or Riot?

Originally posted by Creshosk
There has been more supporting evidence for Superman's side than Buus.

Please, you still haven't posted ANY evidence. Your word on things is still just hearsay.

Stop dismissing the evidence and please provide some of your own.

No more speculation, hearsay or hyperbole.

I am not posting anything from hearsay either.......so just cause you claim that a debator didn't post any evidence doesn't mean they actually didn't.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You seriously just compared Supermans Improving to Dragonballs improving?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Now one thing is that Dragonball has only 42 Books you can give evidence from, while there are...what a billion Superman Comics you can give evidence from.

Originally posted by Bardock42
*fanboy rant*

I still haven't seen any evidence from you.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You are clerly dismissing everything anyone says aboot Dragonball.

You haven't shown anything yet.

Originally posted by Bardock42
[Bthe evidence on Supermans side is multiple and contradicting....[/b]

Originally posted by Bardock42
[BI don't have to discredit it...it does that all by itself....[/b]

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am not posting anything from hearsay either.

Originally posted by Bardock42
[Bso just cause you claim that a debator didn't post any evidence doesn't mean they actually didn't. [/B]

SCANS PLZ!

You haven't posted any evidence. Just hearsay and speculation and Hyperbole.

Stop with the excuses and make with the evidence.