Can Superman Beat Buu?

Started by Bardock4210 pages

Originally posted by Creshosk
You're right, Superman went from being killed by Doomsday to surviving double black holes.
Goku went from being killed by piccolo to. . . well you still haven't shown what his upper end limit is.

Enough Excuses, make with the proof.

And again . . . put more effort into supporting your side.

I still haven't seen any evidence from you.

Because no one knows what his upper limit is......oh and it's aboot Buu and not Goku......but I guess it's basically the same...

What excuses...I told you what I wanted to tell you.
Buu destroyed the Earth with one movement of his hand, a little blast...no powering up or anything

Buu regenerated from basically nothing

Buu ripped a whole into Time and Space

Buu can Instant teleport

I am sorry I can't give his exact speed, I can't give his Bench Press Limit I can't give his durabiltity...it is just not mentioned exactly, and I think you know that too.

What exactly was fanboy rant refering too? I can't really answer if I don't know what you were talking aboot.

You have seen evidence from me, you just decided not to listen to it....

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because it's not proof. all you're doing is posting reworded differently
"OMG U SuKC DBZ RULES! GOKU IZ @ G0D! SUPERMIN SUKCS!"

You haven't shown anything yet.

There's nothing contradicting. GO LOOK AT THE LINKS!

No it doesn't. GO LOOK AT THEM.

Yes, you are.

No, because they actually didn't means they actually didn't.

SCANS PLZ!

You haven't posted any evidence. Just hearsay and speculation and Hyperbole.

Stop with the excuses and make with the evidence.

Bullshit

It is contradicting....in Batman/Superman he is not able to keep up with Kara, although not nearly flying at the Speed of Light, In the Blackhole he hardly gets the Speed of light, in the Links you provided he easily goes 8 times Light Speed......but the last one is just crazy cause there's no one who reasonably can argue that Wonder Woman goes 8 times the Speed of Light.

No I am not, you saying that I do doesn't make it reality..where did I post anything from hearsay?

I do not have a scanner, I thought we all read the 42 Books of Dragonball though, that'S not much to memorize, and everything I said was something that happejned in that 42 Books....

So Superman never lived through a Genkidama...he nevver did....so that means he cannot?...yeah right 🙄

I am not excusing anything to you.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Because no one knows what his upper limit is......oh and it's aboot Buu and not Goku......but I guess it's basically the same...
Goku beat Buu, Buu was killed by piccolo at an early stage.

See a continutiy error there?

Same continuity error you have by using the Death Of Superman at Doomsday's hands.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What excuses...I told you what I wanted to tell you.
Yeah excuses, like you do for the rest of this post:

Originally posted by Bardock42
Buu destroyed the Earth with one movement of his hand, a little blast...no powering up or anything
And? Is that supposed to be impresisve? Or do you beleive that a Sun, a Microblack hole, a double black hole and several other planet sestorying blasts can't destroy earth?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Buu regenerated from basically nothing
And like cell was taken out by an attack that destroyed every last one of his cells. A nice sundip (which is nothing to superman) would destroy buu as well. . .

Originally posted by Bardock42
Buu ripped a whole into Time and Space
And? How is that going to help him here?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Buu can Instant teleport
you mean IT the move that requires you to lock onto someone's ki and takes several seconds to intiate, unless you use non-canon movies?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am sorry I can't give his exact speed, I can't give his Bench Press Limit I can't give his durabiltity...it is just not mentioned exactly, and I think you know that too.
See? Excuses.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What exactly was fanboy rant refering too? I can't really answer if I don't know what you were talking aboot.
More excuses.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You have seen evidence from me, you just decided not to listen to it....
No, no evicdence has been shown, just jearsay, hyperbole and fanboyism.


It is contradicting....in Batman/Superman he is not able to keep up with Kara, although not nearly flying at the Speed of Light, In the Blackhole he hardly gets the Speed of light, in the Links you provided he easily goes 8 times Light Speed......but the last one is just crazy cause there's no one who reasonably can argue that Wonder Woman goes 8 times the Speed of Light.

So like Twisted and every other DBZ supporter, you're throwing out evidence of Superman's speed... on the grounds that it's "just crazy" and "no one ... can argue that Wonder Woman goes 8 times the speed of light."?

Uh, didn't you just say that Buu ripped a hole in space and time? You want to talk about crazy, unbelieveable shit, look to DBZ. And in any case, this is evidence. Proof. He -can- go that fast, and you saying "omfg pis" or saying "omfg zo crazy" doesn't change it. He can do it. Accept it. Move on.


No I am not, you saying that I do doesn't make it reality..where did I post anything from hearsay?

Cresh can deal with this one. I'm not about to search through your posts.


I do not have a scanner, I thought we all read the 42 Books of Dragonball though, that'S not much to memorize, and everything I said was something that happejned in that 42 Books....

Nice. You assumed we all read these books and yet you haven't touched a Superman comic since Doomsday? Dude, Doomsday killed Superman back before I could even drive. It's been -more- than four years. More like nine or ten.


So Superman never lived through a Genkidama...he nevver did....so that means he cannot?...yeah right 🙄

Are you refuting your own point here? The Genkidama needs to be standardized in terms of power and effect before we can assume or discredit the idea of Superman withstanding it. That lies on the side of DBZ supporters. The ones championing Goku should show... wait a damn minute. Why do we even care about this now?


I am not excusing anything to you.

Not proving anything either.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Bullshit
Not in the slightest. I've seen no evidence.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It is contradicting....in Batman/Superman he is not able to keep up with Kara, although not nearly flying at the Speed of Light, In the Blackhole he hardly gets the Speed of light, in the Links you provided he easily goes 8 times Light Speed......but the last one is just crazy cause there's no one who reasonably can argue that Wonder Woman goes 8 times the Speed of Light.
You beleive those cxharacters to be slow?

Originally posted by Bardock42
No I am not, you saying that I do doesn't make it reality..where did I post anything from hearsay?
But you doing as such does make it so. I'm not just saying you are, I'm pointing out when you do.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I do not have a scanner, I thought we all read the 42 Books of Dragonball though, that'S not much to memorize, and everything I said was something that happejned in that 42 Books....
And it's insufficent. Which is why I was asking for you to show evidence that supports your claim of Buu beating Superman..

Originally posted by Bardock42
So Superman never lived through a Genkidama...he nevver did....so that means he cannot?...yeah right 🙄
And just how powerful is the Genkidama? Oh, that's right we have no basis for comparison since its a DBZ only thing. It also requires outside help of volunteered energy and is slow to build up. . . And requires the query to either be stupid and just sit there, or distracted. . .

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am not excusing anything to you.
Yes you are.

"I have no scanner" "there's 42 books to look through" etc. etc.

Goku beat Buu with a trick...one that Superman could never pull...the strongest Force in the Universe....

Try keeping that ad rem, ok?

Yes it is impressive...as Superman could never do it.....he might endure it...but he can't do the same.

You are jsut guessing that...you never saw any DBZ character entering the Sun...you assume they couldn't survive it....not fact at all.

Do it again..throw supes in there....or escape...anyways pretty impressive....could superman do it?

It doesn't need some seconds to do it...not if you can locate the place right away...the problem Goku head was not being Able to detect the Kaioshin world...everything else is easier.

What excuses...the sorry was just a nice thing to say..not an actual excuse.....it'S not an excuse...how do you want to give the speed of a person, that is obviously unbelievably fast but never was said exactly?

Not an excuse either....just asking which past of my posts you changed to *fanboy rant* .....

YOu use Catch Phrases, nothing more...might help you with your friends here who will claim that "you Pwned me" or whatever..but in fact you just repeat a few phrases again and again although not applying to this case, since I gave evidence from the books as far as it is possible, gave evidence from Superman comics, and pointed out inconsitencies in the.....those are not hearsay or fanboyism....they are FACTS.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Goku beat Buu with a trick...one that Superman could never pull...the strongest Force in the Universe....
Supposedly, and note that that is in the DBZ universe, though it seems the dragons and wishing can preform better than the Gankidama can. . .

Originally posted by Bardock42
Try keeping that ad rem, ok?
?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes it is impressive...as Superman could never do it.....he might endure it...but he can't do the same.
What are you even talking about?

Originally posted by Bardock42
You are jsut guessing that...you never saw any DBZ character entering the Sun...you assume they couldn't survive it....not fact at all.
Okay, prove that they could.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Do it again..throw supes in there....or escape...anyways pretty impressive....could superman do it?
Do what?

Originally posted by Bardock42
It doesn't need some seconds to do it.
Gee that's funny, that's always been the description and practise of this technique.

Originally posted by Bardock42
..not if you can locate the place right away...the problem Goku head was not being Able to detect the Kaioshin world...everything else is easier.
And it still took a few seconds to INITIATE.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What excuses..[/]b]
I poit out each time you make an excuse. It should be fairly easy to figure out.

Originally posted by Bardock42
[B].the sorry was just a nice thing to say..not an actual excuse.
/[quote] That sounds like an excuse. Or a justification of an excuse rather.

[QUOTE=5170360]Originally posted by Bardock42
....it'S not an excuse...how do you want to give the speed of a person, that is obviously unbelievably fast but never was said exactly?

By showing him doing something that can be logically deduced as fast.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not an excuse either....just asking which past of my posts you changed to *fanboy rant* .....
You should be able to figure it out with the way I multi quote people.

Originally posted by Bardock42
YOu use Catch Phrases,[/b[]quote] What catch phrases?

[QUOTE=5170360]Originally posted by Bardock42
[B] nothing more..[/b

Oh, you mean the evidence I've been showing you is what you'd call a catch phrase?

Originally posted by Bardock42
[B].might help you with your friends here who will claim that "you Pwned me" or whatever..but in fact you just repeat a few phrases again and again[/]b
I repeat them because they didn't get through the first time.

Originally posted by Bardock42
[B] although not applying to this case, since I gave evidence from the books as far as it is possible,[]/b[/]quote] Evidwence to support Buu beating Superman? Hardly.

[QUOTE=5170360]Originally posted by Bardock42
[B] gave evidence from Superman comics, and pointed out inconsitencies

There's that reading comprehension problem of yours.

Originally posted by Bardock42
in the.....those are not hearsay or fanboyism....they are FACTS.
Not in the slightest. they are indeed fanboyism. Facts are claims supported by evidence. . . something that you still have yet to show.

No IT takes seconds to use... in the canon universe this is shown/stated..... also the fact that Goku had more then enough time to IT to Kaioshin yet he wasn't able to... shows that it takes a couple of seconds... Anyway I not gunna argue with all the other crap you are trying to say... If dismissing Superman's feats and hyping up Goku's is what you call an arguement, then whatever..

Originally posted by Deus Ex
[B]
It is contradicting....in Batman/Superman he is not able to keep up with Kara, although not nearly flying at the Speed of Light, In the Blackhole he hardly gets the Speed of light, in the Links you provided he easily goes 8 times Light Speed......but the last one is just crazy cause there's no one who reasonably can argue that Wonder Woman goes 8 times the Speed of Light.

So like Twisted and every other DBZ supporter, you're throwing out evidence of Superman's speed... on the grounds that it's "just crazy" and "no one ... can argue that Wonder Woman goes 8 times the speed of light."?

Uh, didn't you just say that Buu ripped a hole in space and time? You want to talk about crazy, unbelieveable shit, look to DBZ. And in any case, this is evidence. Proof. He -can- go that fast, and you saying "omfg pis" or saying "omfg zo crazy" doesn't change it. He can do it. Accept it. Move on.


No I am not, you saying that I do doesn't make it reality..where did I post anything from hearsay?

Cresh can deal with this one. I'm not about to search through your posts.


I do not have a scanner, I thought we all read the 42 Books of Dragonball though, that'S not much to memorize, and everything I said was something that happejned in that 42 Books....

Nice. You assumed we all read these books and yet you haven't touched a Superman comic since Doomsday? Dude, Doomsday killed Superman back before I could even drive. It's been -more- than four years. More like nine or ten.


So Superman never lived through a Genkidama...he nevver did....so that means he cannot?...yeah right 🙄

Are you refuting your own point here? The Genkidama needs to be standardized in terms of power and effect before we can assume or discredit the idea of Superman withstanding it. That lies on the side of DBZ supporters. The ones championing Goku should show... wait a damn minute. Why do we even care about this now?


I am not excusing anything to you.

Not proving anything either. [/B]


I did not say it was crazy (the wonder woman part yes...I mean she never did that before) but I said that there are many other occurences where he couldn't do that. I acknowledged that it happened in some comic which I wasn't previously aware of but it is nothing that he usually does....not in the Big DC events at least...

Good

This is not what I said...I said the last Comic I read was when Superman became normal again after a year or so of being Energy Supes. And I read Batman/Superman, JLA and some bigger events which he occured in..I jsut didn't read his comics anymore. And of course I figured you people at least read The Buu Stories, I mean there'S no point in argueing if you didn't.

We cannot actually say what a Genkidama can do.....it was jsut never stated ...and we care because that was the only power we ever saw destroying Buu.

Just pointing out what is stated in the Books, as you are pointing out what is said in the Comics. That is actually the only thing we can base anything on anyways....

Originally posted by Creshosk
Not in the slightest. I've seen no evidence.

You beleive those cxharacters to be slow?

But you doing as such does make it so. I'm not just saying you are, I'm pointing out when you do.

And it's insufficent. Which is why I was asking for you to show evidence that supports your claim of Buu beating Superman..

And just how powerful is the Genkidama? Oh, that's right we have no basis for comparison since its a DBZ only thing. It also requires outside help of volunteered energy and is slow to build up. . . And requires the query to either be stupid and just sit there, or distracted. . .

Yes you are.

"I have no scanner" "there's 42 books to look through" etc. etc.

I never once said anything aboot Goku being God or DBZ rocking anything.....and you have seen evidence as much as it is possible...since there is only that much evidence in 5 Mangas.

Not Slow, I did not say that...but 8 Times Speed of light? Faster than Wally? ....jsut not true....Wally had to give them some of his speed so that they could escape in one of the JLA comics. And Wally is only Speed of light (maybe a little faster)

This is a lie, you did not point out anything, I did not post anything from hearsay, I posted only stuff I actually read in a comic....

What are you saying? Your Knowledge of the Books is insufficent, the Books themself are Insufficent? There are maybe 7 Books that have something to od with a Buu of some sort or another....that is pretty much nothing....and I can only base his power on what I read in that....I can't make up more evidence so you fell happy or anything.

Indeed it'S only DBZ but it has to be considered....and you miss the point it's not aboot the Genkidama being able to Defeat Superman but aboot hiom much power is needed to defeat Buu

Ha, ok, if that'S excusing for you I guess you are right, I am excusing...but it is actually the truth...I do not jhave as canner and I don*'t think it should be necessary to post scans of a 1000 pages of a manga everyone that posts in here should know it. And there is only that much evidence as there is in the Books, I gave some I could think aboot, maybe there'S a little more but the fact is it all depends as on what you base powers of DB on.

You don't get it do you? Superman is much much much more pysically stronger then Goku..... Buu CAN BE knocked unconcious and can be hurt, if they are psyically pwn'd.

This is shown when Gotenks hurts Super Buu, Gohan utterly makes Super Buu crap his pants in pain and terror... this is also shown when Mr. Buu is beaten to un-conciousness by Kid Buu.....

Unless you wanna prove me wrong... you lose.

Originally posted by TPinaPimp
No IT takes seconds to use... in the canon universe this is shown/stated..... also the fact that Goku had more then enough time to IT to Kaioshin yet he wasn't able to... shows that it takes a couple of seconds... Anyway I not gunna argue with all the other crap you are trying to say... If dismissing Superman's feats and hyping up Goku's is what you call an arguement, then whatever..

Again a nice Bullshit post, as stated Goku could not pin the World of the Kaioshins that fast, he couldn't pinpoint Namek either...but going back to the place he lived with Chichi it took him no seconds..he jsut did it.......

Originally posted by Creshosk
Supposedly, and note that that is in the DBZ universe, though it seems the dragons and wishing can preform better than the Gankidama can. . .

?

What are you even talking about?

Okay, prove that they could.

Do what?

Gee that's funny, that's always been the description and practise of this technique.

And it still took a few seconds to INITIATE.

I poit out each time you make an excuse. It should be fairly easy to figure out.

By showing him doing something that can be logically deduced as fast.

You should be able to figure it out with the way I multi quote people.

Oh, you mean the evidence I've been showing you is what you'd call a catch phrase?

I repeat them because they didn't get through the first time.

There's that reading comprehension problem of yours.

Not in the slightest. they are indeed fanboyism. Facts are claims supported by evidence. . . something that you still have yet to show.

What do you base that on?

Ad Rem, talk aboot the Topic, do not talk aboot me, try to insult me, talk me down....

Yes, and I have a reading comprehension proble, right.......I was saying that Superman could not Destroy earth with a movement of his hand, looking quite bored while doing so.

Well they can Survive relatively Strong Blasts, it is not stated if those blasts are stronger than Black Holes though, therefore it is not possible to proof...but that does not mean that they couldn't do that.

Open a Hole to another Dimension.

Where? What Book, I will look it up, I might jsut have forgotten...but maybe I didn't...so now you are claiming that'S the description, you ay proof it now.

What do you mean with initiate? Putting his finger to his head? No, that surely doesn't need a second.

Yes, you call stating facts making excuses though.....

That'S what I was saying there is shown that DBZ characters are really fast, but there is no possibility of measuring it, since it is usually Combat Quickness not flying fast.....

Yeah ok, kind of rude anyways..but I'll let it go....

No, I am calling "just hearsay, hyperbole and fanboyism", catch Phrases you repeat over and over again.

They came throught, they just were wrong.

I can read quite well, thank you for caring though.

They are references to what happened in the Books which is the only source for DB Character Feats, it's not fanboyism, I didn't praise any Character of DB I did not say that Superman is Shit and that he loses cause I don't like him, I only said that Buu could beat Superman, and I based that on Comics I read aboot Superman (which you dismissed for being to old, or you jsut dismissed without even responding to them) annd the Mangas I read aboot Buu (which you also dismissed as not being Proofable, and anyways being all different to the DC Universe and therefore not fact....)

Originally posted by TPinaPimp
You don't get it do you? Superman is much much much more pysically stronger then Goku..... Buu CAN BE knocked unconcious and can be hurt, if they are psyically pwn'd.

This is shown when Gotenks hurts Super Buu, Gohan utterly makes Super Buu crap his pants in pain and terror... this is also shown when Mr. Buu is beaten to un-conciousness by Kid Buu.....

Unless you wanna prove me wrong... you lose.

Yes Super Buu was afraid of Gohan, yes Mr. Buu lost conciousness....but, now you claim that Superman could Knock Out Kid Buu...what do you base that on? We do not know how much Kid Buu can endure, he was never Knocked out, not even beat very much.....and do you base on that Supermans Hits are stronger than Gokus?

And I will go to bed for today, so if you please wouldn't claim that you "Own3d" me or whatever you say when people don't reply immediately.....

Originally posted by Bardock42
I did not say it was crazy (the wonder woman part yes...I mean she never did that before) but I said that there are many other occurences where he couldn't do that. I acknowledged that it happened in some comic which I wasn't previously aware of but it is nothing that he usually does....not in the Big DC events at least...[/]b
Well as was said if Doomsday killing Superman was the last thing you were privy to you've been out of the loop for 12 years.

1993 -> 2005>

Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]Good[]/b[]/quote] Good what?

[QUOTE=5170360]Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]This is not what I said...I said the last Comic I read was when Superman became normal again after a year or so of being Energy Supes. And I read Batman/Superman, JLA and some bigger events which he occured in..I jsut didn't read his comics anymore. And of course I figured you people at least read The Buu Stories, I mean there'S no point in argueing if you didn't.[/][/buqote] Sure we have, that's WHY we don't feel like Buu could beat Superman.

[QUOTE=5170360]Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]We cannot actually say what a Genkidama can do.....it was jsut never stated ...and we care because that was the only power we ever saw destroying Buu.

So we have no standard basis for comparison. Of course we saw a Buu being knocked out. . . so. . .

Originally posted by Bardock42
Just pointing out what is stated in the Books, as you are pointing out what is said in the Comics. That is actually the only thing we can base anything on anyways....
We also showed what happened. Not just saying what happened.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I never once said anything aboot Goku being God or DBZ rocking anything..
As I said, different words, same concept.

Originally posted by Bardock42
...and you have seen evidence as much as it is possible...since there is only that much evidence in 5 Mangas.
And once again this sound s like an excuse.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not Slow, I did not say that...but 8 Times Speed of light? Faster than Wally?
132,000,000 times the speed of light Wally? Not even close.

Originally posted by Bardock42
....jsut not true....Wally had to give them some of his speed so that they could escape in one of the JLA comics. And Wally is only Speed of light (maybe a little faster)
You're kidding right? did you see his nuke evac trick?

Originally posted by Bardock42
This is a lie, you did not point out anything, I did not post anything from hearsay, I posted only stuff I actually read in a comic....[/]b[]/quote] LMFAO, Do you even know what hearsay is? You just pwned yourself there dude.

[QUOTE=5170360]Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]What are you saying? Your Knowledge of the Books is insufficent,

No, what's been shown in the books is insufficent, as what Superman has shown to do is greater than what is shown in the manga.

Originally posted by Bardock42
the Books themself are Insufficent? There are maybe 7 Books that have something to od with a Buu of some sort or another....that is pretty much nothing....and I can only base his power on what I read in that....I can't make up more evidence so you fell happy or anything.[/]b/[]\quote] So there is no evidence to reasonably support a Buu over Superman victory?

[QUOTE=5170360]Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]Indeed it'S only DBZ but it has to be considered....and you miss the point it's not aboot the Genkidama being able to Defeat Superman but aboot hiom much power is needed to defeat Buu

Can you prove his durability is up to the standard of Micro black hole containing strength?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Ha, ok, if that'S excusing for you I guess you are right, I am excusing...but it is actually the truth[]/b[]/quote] No, it's just an excuse. You do know what an excuse is right?

[QUOTE=5170360]Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]...I do not jhave as canner and I don*'t think it should be necessary to post scans of a 1000 pages of a manga everyone that posts in here should know it.[/]b

Strawman. We're not asking for the entire manga. Just the feats that reasonably support Buu > Superman.

Originally posted by Bardock42
[B] And there is only that much evidence as there is in the Books, I gave some I could think aboot, maybe there'S a little more but the fact is it all depends as on what you base powers of DB on.
So there is no evidence to reasonably support Buu>Superman?

Shall I refer you to your fist post towards me in this thread? Where you laughed at me for supportring Superman beating Buu because we do have sufficeint evidence to reasonably support this theory?

Yeah I thought as much.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What do you base that on?
You think the genki dama is more impressive than the Dragons granting wishes?

LMFAO. . .

Originally posted by Bardock42
Ad Rem, talk aboot the Topic, do not talk aboot me, try to insult me, talk me down....
Ironic considering your first post. Oh no, it would be ironic if it weren't expected.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, and I have a reading comprehension proble, right.......I was saying that Superman could not Destroy earth with a movement of his hand, looking quite bored while doing so.
Care to prove this statement?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well they can Survive relatively Strong Blasts, it is not stated if those blasts are stronger than Black Holes though, therefore it is not possible to proof...but that does not mean that they couldn't do that.
Then would you like to prove that statement that they could?

Do you even know how evidence in debates works?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Open a Hole to another Dimension.
And that's going to do what to superman?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Where? What Book, I will look it up, I might jsut have forgotten...but maybe I didn't...so now you are claiming that'S the description, you ay proof it now.
The scans were posted in the Superman vs Goku thread. Feel free to look at the evidence.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What do you mean with initiate? Putting his finger to his head? No, that surely doesn't need a second.
Go look at the evidence.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, you call stating facts making excuses though.....
No, I call making excuses, making excuses. Facts are claims supported by evidence. Something that you have not shown.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That'S what I was saying there is shown that DBZ characters are really fast, but there is no possibility of measuring it, since it is usually Combat Quickness not flying fast.....[]/b[]/quote] Conciously moving your muscles is no different from conciously moving your muscles.

Goku flys faster than the DBZ characters, and the scans on page 55, if you'd have looked at them, would have shown you Superman can fight fast.

[QUOTE=5170360]Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]No, I am calling "just hearsay, hyperbole and fanboyism", catch Phrases you repeat over and over again.[/]b/[]quote] Because you didn't get it the first time I have to repeat myself until you understand.

[QUOTE=5170360]Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]They came throught, they just were wrong.

I can read quite well, thank you for caring though.[/]b/[]quote] Don't lie to me. Had this been true you wouldn't have needed to ask me some of the questions you have.

[QUOTE=5170360]Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]They are references to what happened in the Books which is the only source for DB Character Feats,

So where is the evidence?

Originally posted by Bardock42
it's not fanboyism, I didn't praise any Character of DB I did not say that Superman is Shit and that he loses cause I don't like him, I only said that Buu could beat Superman,
and then seem to either be incapable or unwilling to provide the evidence.

Originally posted by Bardock42
and I based that on Comics I read aboot Superman (which you dismissed for being to old,[]/b[]/quote] So I can use Picolo killing Goku as evidence?

[QUOTE=5170360]Originally posted by Bardock42
[B] or you jsut dismissed without even responding to them)

Hearsay, hyperbole and fanboyism is not admissible as evidence.

Originally posted by Bardock42
annd the Mangas I read aboot Buu (which you also dismissed as not being Proofable,[/]b[/]quote] So then prove it if they are provable. post the evidence.

[QUOTE=5170360]Originally posted by Bardock42
[B] and anyways being all different to the DC Universe and therefore not fact....)

Facts are claims supported by evidence. something that you seem either unwilling or unable to show.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes Super Buu was afraid of Gohan, yes Mr. Buu lost conciousness....but, now you claim that Superman could Knock Out Kid Buu...what do you base that on? We do not know how much Kid Buu can endure, he was never Knocked out, not even beat very much.....and do you base on that Supermans Hits are stronger than Gokus?
Superman's hits are stronger than blackholes. So you need to prove that Buu's durability is at least on par with black holes.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Goku beat Buu with a trick...one that Superman could never pull...the strongest Force in the Universe....

Try keeping that ad rem, ok?

Yes it is impressive...as Superman could never do it.....he might endure it...but he can't do the same.

You are jsut guessing that...you never saw any DBZ character entering the Sun...you assume they couldn't survive it....not fact at all.

Do it again..throw supes in there....or escape...anyways pretty impressive....could superman do it?

It doesn't need some seconds to do it...not if you can locate the place right away...the problem Goku head was not being Able to detect the Kaioshin world...everything else is easier.

What excuses...the sorry was just a nice thing to say..not an actual excuse.....it'S not an excuse...how do you want to give the speed of a person, that is obviously unbelievably fast but never was said exactly?

Not an excuse either....just asking which past of my posts you changed to *fanboy rant* .....

YOu use Catch Phrases, nothing more...might help you with your friends here who will claim that "you Pwned me" or whatever..but in fact you just repeat a few phrases again and again although not applying to this case, since I gave evidence from the books as far as it is possible, gave evidence from Superman comics, and pointed out inconsitencies in the.....those are not hearsay or fanboyism....they are FACTS.

Goku need outside help to defeat Kid Buu though. And ssj3 Goku actually whould have won the fight if his Kamehameha Wave whould have lasted a little longer (Goku's Kamehameha wave ended, leaving a small cell left of Buu). Superman again can just melt Buu easy with Heat Vision to end the fight, Superman can beat the crap out Buu then finish him off with Heat Vision or use Ice Breath to freeze Buu then use Heat Vision. If there's a cell left, Superman has X-ray Vision to finish up what he started. 🙂

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes Super Buu was afraid of Gohan, yes Mr. Buu lost conciousness....but, now you claim that Superman could Knock Out Kid Buu...what do you base that on? We do not know how much Kid Buu can endure, he was never Knocked out, not even beat very much.....and do you base on that Supermans Hits are stronger than Gokus?

http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video06.mov

SSJ2 Goku hits were hurting Kid Buu, who is far from being in Superman's strength class. SSJ3 Goku isn't that far from ssj2 Goku because he still had a hard time fighting Kid Buu aswell.

Here's ssj2 Goku struggling to push a moutain apart.

http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/DBZ-Video08.mov

Superman has push planets, lifted small moons with little effort, and held a black hole in the palm of his hands, he'll punch a hole in Buu, then finish him off with Heat Vision. 🙂

ARGH! Another one that has no place in the Video game vs Forum..... 😠

lol