Should Bush help Trinidad?

Originally posted by Hermione202
Thats the problem . The police aren't doing their jobs.

Your point being? If the police doesn't do their job you want to send in an international army? Thats going to create so much problems you can not even begin to guess.

All the people that will hate it, the crime lords that will fight it. The people that will get arrested and shot without reasons. The possible rebellion against the government because of international forces there. And then the real shit starts, because the UN can not simply choose sides in a war like that. Its the people against the people, all it can try to do is prevent the government and the rebels from committing war crimes.

An army simply is not a good idea in a job thats meant for the police.

ok, so how much people should be killed for them to take action? Who cares if people hate them? they are would be SAVING lives of HUNDREDS. Look at the US now. they are helping Iraq, and their people, so why shouldn't Bush or the UN help Trinidad? Why should they worry about if someone kills them or not?

How many people have to die before anyone takes a problem seriously? If we take sub-Saharan Africa as an example - millions.

i think that they should react before anything like that happens. and who knows UN might take action, it's worth a try, and i think i might take that chance...

So people will wait till Millions die before they take action ? Trinidad is a VERY small country and most of Trinidad will probably die out if tht happens !

Originally posted by Saratn
Trinidad is a small country near Venezeula and Tobago. Murder and kidnapping is a big issue there, and the government isn't doing too much. i was thinking of writing to Bush to see if he could do anything about what is going on in Trinidad. please go through a few of the links, and tell of what you think.
Their has been 200 killings and kidnappings THIS YEAR alone.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/archives/2005-10-01/news8.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/archives/2005-09-29/news9.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/archives/2005-09-29/news10.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/archives/2005-09-28/news7.html

please speak your mind.....

That happens all over the world

Originally posted by Saratn
ok, so how much people should be killed for them to take action? Who cares if people hate them? they are would be SAVING lives of HUNDREDS. Look at the US now. they are helping Iraq, and their people, so why shouldn't Bush or the UN help Trinidad? Why should they worry about if someone kills them or not?

Thats not the point is it? You have to look at moe things here.

First of all,

What good will it do the rest of the world if this is stopped?

None at all, does the rest of the world suffer becuase of this? No... We won't act until we suffer, this is just how things work. Its cruel but its true, its not like all the country's in the world have the money or the resources to go to war and stop all of this shit.

Are there any other places where they can be used more?

Hell yeah, there are plenty of problems in the world, take Sudan for instance. God knows how many people have died there, how many people are suffering there. There is just no way you can go to war here and leave that alone. Hundreds can not and should not compare to millions

What wil lhave to be done if this situation is to be resolved?

You would need a police force, you are sending in an army. They can not catch those who are responsible all they can do is stay there all the time hoping tos care the criminals. Thats not a good thing thats not going to work. You would need a real police force there, and the UN simply can not send it over there. Its supposed to keep peace not supposed to solve crimes. No matter how much it sucks for a country. Unless they have an eneemy to fight an army is not going to do any good, in fact its only going to hurt the people.

How about the dangers?

Far to great especially in a situation like this, sending in armed forces can be disasterous for morale and for your military. Its going to cost you millions and for whta? Nothing... You are not going to stop the crime.

I can think of a shit load of reasons not to go there. But in the end it simply won't pay off to do so. And they won't, not unless they have a damn good reason. And a few hundred people being kidnapped or murdered by criminals is not a good reason.

so the lives of hundreds of people mean nothing to you? the least that can be done is to try. HUNDREDS ARE DYING THEY ARE LIVING PEOPLE TOO. I HAVE TWO FRIENDS THERE, AND THE COUNTRY ISN'T VERY SAFE. SUDAN WAS DOING THINGS IN HIS COUNTRY TO HIS PEOPLE AND THE US TOOK ACTION, WHY CAN'T THEY HELP A SMALL COUNTRY LIKE TRINIDAD? IT ISN'T GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DO THIS. AND THE ARMY CAN'T GET INVOVLED REALLY BECAUSE OF THE LAW. MANY PEOPLE AREN'T SAFE IN TRINIDAD, AND THEY NEED HELP.

Your point being? That shit happens in a lot of country's... It sucks for the people there, it sucks for the country. But the simple fact is that the world will not get anything but trouble and more debt out of this. They have no reason to go in with an army.

They could perhaps send some detectives or something, if that will help which I doubt. But they are not going to send an army unless they are getting something out of it. And they are not from as far as I can tell.

i had never once said that they should bring in the military. i said that they should try to do something to help.

Originally posted by Saratn
so the lives of hundreds of people mean nothing to you? the least that can be done is to try. HUNDREDS ARE DYING THEY ARE LIVING PEOPLE TOO. I HAVE TWO FRIENDS THERE, AND THE COUNTRY ISN'T VERY SAFE. SUDAN WAS DOING THINGS IN HIS COUNTRY TO HIS PEOPLE AND THE US TOOK ACTION, WHY CAN'T THEY HELP A SMALL COUNTRY LIKE TRINIDAD? IT ISN'T GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DO THIS. AND THE ARMY CAN'T GET INVOVLED REALLY BECAUSE OF THE LAW. MANY PEOPLE AREN'T SAFE IN TRINIDAD, AND THEY NEED HELP.

Why go to another country with an army? That just might probably make a mini-war

No... I think we should let other countries deal with their own problems... it doesn't really effect us.

so we helped Iraq, that didn't have to do with us, yet look, they are there, trying to help Iraq. so why can't Trinidad have help from the US. The US is a powerful country, and they should use that to help the other countries that aren't as powerful as the US.
I HAD NEVER SAID TO BRING THE MILITARY IN FACT I SAID THAT IT IS ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO DEAL WITH CRIMES.

Originally posted by Saratn
so we helped Iraq, that didn't have to do with us, yet look, they are there, trying to help Iraq. so why can't Trinidad have help from the US. The US is a powerful country, and they should use that to help the other countries that aren't as powerful as the US.
I HAD NEVER SAID TO BRING THE MILITARY IN FACT I SAID THAT IT IS ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO DEAL WITH CRIMES.

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how the hell is that funny?

Originally posted by Saratn
i had never once said that they should bring in the military. i said that they should try to do something to help.

Like what? Give money, yeah hell like that will help. The people will just take it and spend it in other places. Fund a rebellious regime to overthrow the government hoping it will change things? The US has done that already never really worked.

Send police officers? Yeah like that will help.

What do you suggest the UN should do then?

the UN wasn't my idea, i was for Bush. Help them with their goverment, and to keep order. They are not worried about money, but about the murderers and the kidnappers.

Originally posted by Saratn
so we helped Iraq, that didn't have to do with us, yet look, they are there, trying to help Iraq. so why can't Trinidad have help from the US. The US is a powerful country, and they should use that to help the other countries that aren't as powerful as the US.
I HAD NEVER SAID TO BRING THE MILITARY IN FACT I SAID THAT IT IS ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO DEAL WITH CRIMES.

But even so.. it's arguable that we only helped Iraq because we thought Saddam posed a potential threat to the United States.

Okay so what is Bush going to do then?

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
We shouldn't have helped Iraq. This is a prime example of why we shouldn't get into other countries business.. cause then all other countries are like "wait well we have problems too why don't you help us?" as if just because we helped one country we somehow owe the rest of them something too. It doesn't work like that.

But even so.. it's arguable that we only helped Iraq because we thought Saddam posed a potential threat to the United States.

but even after he was taken from his country, the US still helped the country. Trinidad is a country that needs help, and i don't think any country would think less of the US. And how would that start a war if Trinidad asked them for help, but they have gotten no response. Have you read the countless articles of the things that go on in Trinidad?