Crimewatch - male on male sexual assault

Started by Draco692 pages
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I agree that power can be sexual, BDSM masochists get off on this, but....... and its a big but, I think the Shawshank redemption its only about violence is an over simplification. Sometimes I think it is homosexual men acting to get what they want in the same way heterosexual men do.. I think rapes for both sexes can be considered examples of violence and aggression - sometimes though a sexual aspect is present in both.

Granted there ARE homosexual men who are rapists...but the overwhelming statisitics suggest that most of the male-on-male rapes are commited by heterosexual men.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
[B]Many penetrative gay men even refer to themselves as "tops", highlighting an inequality in power exchange in gay relationships and showing the "top" considers himself the "man" in the realtionship.

Power? It has nothing to with power. It just has to do with sexual position you prefer. Being a bottom doesn't mean you're the "woman" of the relationship.

No offense, but you really need to read up on the social histronics of homosexuality. There's alot of misconception here.

Originally posted by Draco69
Granted there ARE homosexual men who are rapists...but the overwhelming statisitics suggest that most of the male-on-male rapes are commited by heterosexual men.

Power? It has nothing to with power. It just has to do with sexual position you prefer. Being a bottom doesn't mean you're the "woman" of the relationship.

No offense, but you really need to read up on the social histronics of homosexuality. There's alot of misconception here.

right to a point, butt also wrong 🙂

top - n.
1. The dominant person in BDSM activity.
2. The one who penetrates during anal sex, especially between gay males.
Moving between the bodies, I take a seat and watch the center of the action -- two tops take turns with a bottom. The sex is silent, serious and very intense. It continues for what seems like an hour, finally culminating with the two tops each getting off inside the bottom.

its all about penetration (and ergo power) "the mans role" etc

and no I don't want to read up on it 🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt

and no I don't want to read up on it 🙂

Sounds like you don't need to read up.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Sounds like you don't need to read up.

😆 very witty 🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
right to a point, butt also wrong 🙂

top - n.
1. The dominant person in BDSM activity.

No. That would be the master, dominater, etc. while the one who's passive would be the submissive, slave, etc.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
2. The one who penetrates during anal sex, especially between gay males.

THIS is the correct definition. It has nothing to do with power, role-playing, personality or any sort of status whatsoever. It simply has to do with the most desirable sexual positions. Being top doesn't necessarily mean that he's going to act akin to a macho Marlon Brando. I've met some of the nelliest, outrageuosly, stereotypical gay men who just happened to prefer to be top. This is what the key element. Preference. And believe it or not, in a loving, consensual relationship, gay men actually SWITCH positions during sex which throws your arguement out the window.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Moving between the bodies, I take a seat and watch the center of the action -- two tops take turns with a bottom. The sex is silent, serious and very intense. It continues for what seems like an hour, finally culminating with the two tops each getting off inside the bottom.

I not exactly sure how I should comment on this....😬

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
its all about penetration (and ergo power) "the mans role" etc

No. It isn't. It simply has to do with the desired preference of a sexual position. What feels best for them. That's what sex is about.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
and no I don't want to read up on it 🙂

You should. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about...

Originally posted by Draco69
No. That would be the master, dominater, etc. while the one who's passive would be the submissive, slave, etc.

THIS is the correct definition. It has nothing to do with power, role-playing, personality or any sort of status whatsoever. It simply has to do with the most desirable sexual positions. Being top doesn't necessarily mean that he's going to act akin to a macho Marlon Brando. I've met some of the nelliest, outrageuosly, stereotypical gay men who just happened to prefer to be top. This is what the key element. Preference. And believe it or not, in a loving, consensual relationship, gay men actually SWITCH positions during sex which throws your arguement out the window.

I not exactly sure how I should comment on this....😬

No. It isn't. It simply has to do with the desired preference of a sexual position. What feels best for them. That's what sex is about.

You should. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about...

hate to tell you this because your obviously very young but the phrase top means more than you think 🙂

http://www.sex-lexis.com/Sex-Dictionary/top

Greeks on Penetration a view commonly held in Psychology today 🙂

I picked the greeks for a reason 😖hifty:

taken from seekwellness.com

When it was first published, Keuls's suggestion seemed to belong to the fringes of ancient studies; recently reissued, her book now nestles comfortably in the mainstream, a graphic indication of the direction the current has taken over the past ten years. Her title, The Reign of the Phallus, might stand as a summary of new thinking on ancient gender. Blended with Beauvoir's Other, Freud and Foucaut, the phallus has come to be seen as the key to a whole society, lying at the centre of a nexus of sex and power. 'Sex was phallic action,' claims Halperin, 'it revolved around who had the phallus, was defined by what was done with the phallus, and was polarised by the distribution of phallic pleasure.' Sex was a chronic, traumatic, political event.
Far from bringing people together sex kept them apart, dividing those penetrating from those penetrated, while at the same time erasing distinctions on either side of the phallic equation. Penetration, moreover, meant power. Those who had the phallus and used it were the dominant citizen males. Those who had been born without one or who had lost theirs somewhere along the way were the disenfranchised Other: women, slaves, foreigners and men who enjoyed getting shafted. Sex made everyone either active or passive, a plus or a minus; it was a zero-sum game.
It has been claimed that phallicism was not merely characteristic of sex in the ancient world (as it has been thought characteristic of sex today) but actually constituted a sexuality. In fact, there was no such thing as sexuality in antiquity, only 'a more generalised ethos of penetration and domination'. Phallicism thus presented historians with a real-life example to support Foucault's theory of radical discontinuity in the history of desire. The 'problem' of Greek homosexuality was a problem no more. So long as they were on the positive end of the penetrating penis, the Greeks did not care about the gender of the person on the other.

Which is completely and utterly irrelevant. Greek homosexuality was practiced out of cultural ties to the Roman/Greek gods and paganistic rituals. It had nothing to with the element of homosexuality as we view it today.

We aren't Greeks....

Originally posted by Draco69
Which is completely and utterly irrelevant. Greek homosexuality was practiced out of cultural ties to the Roman/Greek gods and paganistic rituals. It had nothing to with the element of homosexuality as we view it today.

We aren't Greeks....

Exactly

Originally posted by Draco69
Which is completely and utterly irrelevant. Greek homosexuality was practiced out of cultural ties to the Roman/Greek gods and paganistic rituals. It had nothing to with the element of homosexuality as we view it today.

We aren't Greeks....

except for Greeks...........

Penetration = Power its called the male equation 🙂 its present in hetero relationships as well. Hence the terms taken, to take, took, had, screwed, popped the cherry etc. etc. ad nauseum 🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
except for Greeks...........

Ancient Greeks....🙄

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Penetration = Power its called the male equation 🙂 its present in hetero relationships as well. Hence the terms taken, to take, took, had, screwed, popped the cherry etc. etc. ad nauseum 🙂

Um. NO. You still don't get. It's about what feels nice. Having your penis rubbed against skin or your prostate rubbed against a penis. It's all about preference. You have this misconception that having a preference for a sexual position determines personality and role in the relationship.

And again. Gays switch during sex.

Originally posted by Draco69
Ancient Greeks....🙄

Um. NO. You still don't get. It's about what feels nice. Having your penis rubbed against skin or your prostate rubbed against a penis. It's all about preference. You have this misconception that having a preference for a sexual position determines personality and role in the relationship.

And again. Gays switch during sex.

nope I understand about prostate "milking", I understand many switch, I also understand the act of penetration is a violent act, males are aggressive testostrone determines this, the mans role is aggressive sexually normally, although subs, sissy boys and bit.ches exist.

http://salmon.psy.plym.ac.uk/year1/psy128psychosexual_differentiation/sexdiff.htm

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
nope I understand about prostate "milking", I understand many switch, I also understand the act of penetration is a violent act, males are aggressive testostrone determines this, the mans role is aggressive sexually normally, although subs, sissy boys and bit.ches exist.

http://salmon.psy.plym.ac.uk/year1/psy128psychosexual_differentiation/sexdiff.htm

Violent? Please. Gay men spend quite a bit of time preparing the anal cavity for penetration using lube, fingers, etc. That's why lube exists.

The main problem with your theory is that it subscribes that a homosexual relationship must be taken in parallel to a heterosexual relationship.

But guess what? It's not. Both are men. Both have as much testostrone as the next guy. Which confuses albeit alot of people like you for instance.

To generalize, a gay relationship between males is like a very intense friendship between two guys. Except just add in sex and romance.

As for the prostate milking....that's a term for women using it on men.....

You clearly don't understand what you are talking about and what's worst is that you're citing questionable, to say the least, sources that primarily focus on bizarre sexual activities.

BSDM/maschositic sex doesn't equal homosexual sex. That's what the problem with your view.

Originally posted by Draco69
Violent? Please. Gay men spend quite a bit of time preparing the anal cavity for penetration using lube, fingers, etc. That's why lube exists.

The main problem with your theory is that it subscribes that a homosexual relationship must be taken in parallel to a heterosexual relationship.

But guess what? It's not. Both are men. Both have as much testostrone as the next guy. Which confuses albeit alot of people like you for instance.

To generalize, a gay relationship between males is like a very intense friendship between two guys. Except just add in sex and romance.

As for the prostate milking....that's a term for women using it on men.....

You clearly don't understand what you are talking about and what's worst is that you're citing questionable, to say the least, sources that primarily focus on bizarre sexual activities.

BSDM/maschositic sex doesn't equal homosexual sex. That's what the problem with your view.

all sex is a violent act to a point and no prostate milking is a generic term, you like you BDSM obviously Draco 😉 whatever floats your boat🙂

The last source was a minor english University 🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
all sex is a violent act to a point

Sure. If you like that sort of thing....

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
and no prostate milking is a generic term,

No. It refers to sexual activity where a woman literally "milks" the prostate while giving a handjob. The term "milk" should be a red flag...

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
you like you BDSM obviously Draco 😉 whatever floats your boat🙂

No. I'm just knowledgeable about the subject. The day I get laid is the day Bush completes a coherent sentence

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
The last source was a minor english University 🙂

That's nice. Where are going with this...?

If you don't have anything worthwhile to post....😬

Originally posted by Draco69
Violent? Please. Gay men spend quite a bit of time preparing the anal cavity for penetration using lube, fingers, etc. That's why lube exists.

LOL that was the scariest thing I read all day seriously🙂

Originally posted by Draco69
Sure. If you like that sort of thing....

No. It refers to sexual activity where a woman literally "milks" the prostate while giving a handjob. The term "milk" should be a red flag...

No. I'm just knowledgeable about the subject. The day I get laid is the day Bush completes a coherent sentence

That's nice. Where are going with this...?

If you don't have anything worthwhile to post....😬

Milking means ejaculation through prostate stimulation, it is not strictly confined to BDSM, but I concede it is more common there. Like with use of "top" your understanding is narrow🙂

Hope you get laid soon 😉 good luck with that🙂

read a bit of psychology on penetration 😉

off to the Pub have a nice night with your research material mate 🙂 and remember "keep it up" 😉

Okay. Me confused. Guess I won.

Originally posted by Draco69
Okay. Me confused. Guess I won.

thats right your confused and no you didn't 😉

beer awaits 🍺

goodnight 🙂

Uh. No. Please your arguements were completely and utterly nullified using logic and reason instead of stereotyping and misunderstanding.

Which is why you need to drink away your sorrows....

Originally posted by Draco69
Uh. No. Please your arguements were completely and utterly nullified using logic and reason instead of stereotyping and misunderstanding.

Which is why you need to drink away your sorrows....

no I need a drink because my girlfriend wants to and I'm going to get laid 🙂

again your understanding is narrow🙂

best of luck with that though mate 😉