Originally posted by Nibedicus
Ergh! A lil late with that edit there man, I actually ended up bumping it. -_- lol.Yes, aware of that definition. That is why I used "legalized" murder. It is a play on words. Edit. Meaning: It is wrong, it SHOULD be illegal, but is legal anyway.
Well then, you should've said "legalized killing" since "legalized murder" is a contradiction of terms.
Originally posted by Star428
Well then, you should've said "legalized killing" since "legalized murder" is a contradiction of terms.
That is why it is a play on words.... -_- sigh....
Killing by definition isn't really inherently wrong (we kill animals for food as an example or kill other humans in self defense) and shouldn't inherently be illegal.
Don't know why we're arguing how I used a play on words, but oh well....
Originally posted by Nibedicus
So, the "logic" behind it is to dehumanize unborn children via the use of arbitrary criteria?
Criteria are always arbitrary, we make reasons from entirely random happenings because our brains work that brain. Things carrying human DNA aren't "human", your cells contain such DNA and when you kill them, you aren't commiting murder. I was explaining that one of the reasonings to kill liberally is that killing non-humans cannot be punished in the same way killing humans should.
Anyways, the discussion was about the logic and not about animal cruelty itself. I don't agree with the use of quotations for logic, but that's also an unrelated nitpick 😛
Originally posted by Bentley
Criteria are always arbitrary, we make reasons from entirely random happenings because our brains work that brain. Things carrying human DNA aren't "human", your cells contain such DNA and when you kill them, you aren't commiting murder. I was explaining that one of the reasonings to kill liberally is that killing non-humans cannot be punished in the same way killing humans should.Anyways, the discussion was about the logic and not about animal cruelty itself. I don't agree with the use of quotations for logic, but that's also an unrelated nitpick 😛
Moove to the abortion thread man. 😛 I'm already playing with fire in posting it here, mind if I repost what you said there?
I don't view abortion as murder. Simply because for it to be murder the thing has to actually be alive. That sounds harsh, but it is the truth. I am sure once you get to a certain point it does achieve some level of consciousness, but before then...you are technically just snuffing out the potential for life.
But ah, that begs an interesting question. What about *forced* abortion, is that murder? Assuming it happens prior to the time limit on legal abortions? I only ask because there is the case I heard about where this guy found out his gf was pregnant and his dad was a doctor so he got some kind of pills that induce a miscarriage or something...he told the girl they were vitamins for the baby. Is that murder?
Originally posted by Surtur
I don't view abortion as murder. Simply because for it to be murder the thing has to actually be alive. That sounds harsh, but it is the truth. I am sure once you get to a certain point it does achieve some level of consciousness, but before then...you are technically just snuffing out the potential for life.But ah, that begs an interesting question. What about *forced* abortion, is that murder? Assuming it happens prior to the time limit on legal abortions? I only ask because there is the case I heard about where this guy found out his gf was pregnant and his dad was a doctor so he got some kind of pills that induce a miscarriage or something...he told the girl they were vitamins for the baby. Is that murder?
Answered this in the abortion thread (basically, literal definition of what constitutes life or an organism would disagree with you). 😛 come on over!