Actually I recall it states somehow Ruby Quartz simply acts in the same manner as the field - shunting the force back to it's point of origin.
I'm not arguing that Bishop can't move. I'm saying for the most part his power involves active energy absorption. If I shoot him in the back of the head without him knowing, he would die. Active energy absorption can only be done at a specific rate, a specific magnitude and has limits to it's capacity.
Originally posted by StyleTime
It doesn't convert. Cyclops's eyes actually open portals to another dimension to release a common form of red energy from that world.
Ahh I see.
Still Bishop can abosorb the energy. So if Cyclops keeps pouring it on he cna keep absrobing it, and if he might get over loaded he simply releases it right back at Scott.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Actually I recall it states somehow Ruby Quartz simply acts in the same manner as the field - shunting the force back to it's point of origin.I'm not arguing that Bishop can't move. I'm saying for the most part his power involves active energy absorption. If I shoot him in the back of the head without him knowing, he would die.
I was under the impression taht Bishop absorbed energy passivley like Sebastian Shaw, I don't collect enough X-Men to know that but I'll have to check it out.
Originally posted by WarmongerI'll have to check too. I'd say he has a base passive absorption but I doubt that he simply passively absorbs energy no matter the magnitude, intensity and rate of flow.
I was under the impression taht Bishop absorbed energy passivley like Sebastian Shaw, I don't collect enough X-Men to know that but I'll have to check it out.
Bishop's powers are definitely passive. I don't have the issue anymore (long story) but there was an incident when Magneto held the Xmen immobile while levitating asteroid M overhead. (I think it was the issue where colossus joined the acolytes.)
Magneto remarked that they were being held immobile, and wouldnt be able to access their abilites to use against him, and bishop remarked "even if those powers are involuntary?" (or something to that effect, implying that his abilities were always active, even if he couldnt conciously control them)
Bishop passively absorbed enough magnetic energy from magneto to break free, even though he was being prevented from conciously accessing his powers. It was in this same issue that the team loaded him up with powers from Cyclops, Storm, and Iceman (?!)
If anyone else has the issue and can post scans, that would be sweet.
* IMO, passive or not, Cyke takes the first shot... more strategically, IF Bishop can withstand the force or the impact of Cyke's blasts (that's a big IF), Cyke won't blast Bishop directly, he'll just hit him geometrically, like to the ground (rocks will hit Bishop instead of the blast), to the walls, etc...
* the real score is - is Bishop REALLY be able to withstand Cyke's blasts?
* if not, Cyke wins 9/10! 1/10 of it, is due to Bishop's fighting ability...
* if yes, Bishop wins 6/10... Cyke blasts away Bishop's guns, both got firepower... only Bishop can absorb Cyke's blast and Cyke can't...
Originally posted by peejayd
* IMO, passive or not, Cyke takes the first shot... more strategically, IF Bishop can withstand the force or the impact of Cyke's blasts (that's a big IF), Cyke won't blast Bishop directly, he'll just hit him geometrically, like to the ground (rocks will hit Bishop instead of the blast), to the walls, etc...* the real score is - is Bishop REALLY be able to withstand Cyke's blasts?
* if not, Cyke wins 9/10! 1/10 of it, is due to Bishop's fighting ability...
* if yes, Bishop wins 6/10... Cyke blasts away Bishop's guns, both got firepower... only Bishop can absorb Cyke's blast and Cyke can't...
If Bishop can take a shot from Onslaught, why would Cykes optic blast ba a challenge?
Originally posted by TheKahn
If Bishop can take a shot from Onslaught, why would Cykes optic blast ba a challenge?
* yes, i've seen the scanned comic... but it makes me think how the hell it happened? as far as i know, Bishop can absorb the energy ONLY and not the impact or the force of the energy thrown...
Bishop is suspose to be able to absorb any form of energy and redirect it. Why does he not just absorb every blow and why does he get knocked down sometimes??? You could argue bad or inconsistance writing or that is power is active in nature.
http://www.mutanthigh.com/bishop.html
* yeah, and see this...
Powers: A human battery, Bishop can absorb, store and re-emit any form of energy, usually from his hands. This energy is not limited to the physical, as Bishop has been seen to block telepathy in a similar manner. Trained in the future under harsh conditions, Bishop is also an excellent tracker and tactician, although his methods may be a little extreme for our era.
http://www.mutanthigh.com/bishop.html
* absorb, store and re-emit any form of energy, it does NOT say that Bishop can withstand the impact or force upon absorption... inconsistent writing...
Powers & History: Cyclops' eyes constantly fire red energy beams. At full power these beams can punch through mountains. However, Cyclops cannot control his power, and is forced to always wear a ruby quartz visor, glasses or goggles. He has an uncanny ability to compute trigonometric relations, which allows him to bounce his optic blasts with incredible accuracy. His greatest fear is losing control of his powers and hurting someone he cares for. Cyclops is immune to his brother Havok's power, and vice versa.
http://www.mutanthigh.com/cyclops.html
* Cyke's blasts can punch through mountains... 'nuff said...
When you strike an object and cause it to move (say like the concussive force of Cykes optic blast) you transfer kinetic energy to that object. Kinetic energy is the energy of motion and to move bishop whatever particles that make up Cykes blast would have to impart their kinetic energy to Bishop's body. His powers allow him to absorb that energy.
* so Bishop does not have to wince or make his face ugly while absorbing Onslaught's blast 'coz it's his mutant power... the wincing proves Bishop's in pain while in the act of absorption... poor writing indeed, he does not need to be in pain if it includes in his mutant power, it will just flow smoothly...
Originally posted by peejayd
* so Bishop does not have to wince or make his face ugly while absorbing Onslaught's blast 'coz it's his mutant power... the wincing proves Bishop's in pain while in the act of absorption... poor writing indeed, he does not need to be in pain if it includes in his mutant power, it will just flow smoothly...
Says who??? Just look at the morlocks. There is no rule saying that mutant powers have to be pleasant or easy to use. And many experience physical discomfort or pain when using their abilities to their full extent.
Actually, I'm kinda agreeing with peejayd here.
Bishop will be able to absorb the energy, but the initial concussive force should still hit him.
I mean, when he gets punched/kicked, he still gets punched/kicked. He gets knocked back and feels the pain. Happened in X-treme X-men a few times. He did absorb the energy, but he did get hit nonetheless.
Now, Cyke's blast will indeed hit Bishop, and since this is bloodlust, it would, in fact, kill Bishop before he could absorb the energy. The energy that Bishop is more commonly used to absorbing is energy-based. Like lasers and bio-blasts and such. But a concussive force is basically a punch. He's gonna get hit and feel it. And in this case, since it's Cyke's optic blasts, it'll probably kill him (punch a hole right through him).
Man, this really is a tough fight here. I've changed my mind several times now.
I think...at least for the moment...Cyke: 6/10.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Thats one way to interpret it....when Bishop put down Juggernaut he was weilding the energy of the city's whole power grid...he didnt recieve an initial shock and die.
* hey! didn't knew that!!! wanna share a scan, dude?
* it takes the whole team to slow Juggy down (but not stop him), plus a telepath to defeat Juggy... all the while, Bishop's the only solution to the unstoppable menace...
Originally posted by Wynndar
Thats one way to interpret it....when Bishop put down Juggernaut he was weilding the energy of the city's whole power grid...he didnt recieve an initial shock and die.
That's true.
But don't forget that Juggernaut was like 90% weakened and terrified after being knocked across the country by Onslaught.
Hell, Jubilee could've taken him down in the state he was in.
He was weakened...what "percent" wasnt explicitely stated, just subjective to the reader...basically it was trying to express how badly Onslaught kicked his ass. "The unstoppable Juggernaut....hmm...I see we're going to have to update the word unstoppable from his file" -Beast. That and the fact he was fighitng Onslaught in Canada and got knocked to Jersey whistling