meh, not another one. I heard this rumour of rocky 6 a while back but hoped nothing was there to back it up -indeed 5 was a huge mistake.
IV - jesus, that was the greatest ever, we got to watch the whole movie twice in Modern Studies when we were studying the cold war.
Anyways, if i gave a hoot about the 6th film I might do some research, since I dont. I will let all you under-age kids to the work 🙂
Originally posted by Cringe
I'm really sorry for saying Rocky 4 was bad.I loved it and actually do think it was the best in the series.I dont know what came over me 😐
Dude you were right the first time,DONT be sorry.Rocky 4 was horribly written just like 5 was.stick to your guns on what you said the first time .
Originally posted by bakerboy
Rocky is a very good movie, but please, both taxi driver and all the president men are masterpieces. Also, the most of scorsese's movies are masterpieces, movies like mean streets, ranging bull, goodfellas, the age of innocence, casino or the same taxi driver.
It s all opinion. Problem is, you present it as fact. There are plenty of people that will vouch that Scorsese's obsession with his subjects end up flawing his movies. "Raging Bull" is incredibly overrated. Mind you, overrated doesn't mean it's not a decent film, but people tend to have a hard on for Scorsese and think he's infalliable, when he isn't.
Originally posted by mmmmoley
Rocky 5 wasn't all that impressive - so i can't see Rocky 6 doing any better! Rocky coming out of retirement 2 kick ass... AGAIN! Naaa, can't see this being @ the top of Box-Office when its released! Shame really - 1-3 were good, cant really remember 4 - sure that was OK!
your lucky that you dont remember 4,that was the start of bad rocky films to come,so i dont see rocky 6 changing any of that .yeah one through 3 were great,should have ended there.Yeah I cant see him coming out of retirement 2 kick ass either AGAIN or being at the top of the box office.
Originally posted by Cringe
This is going to be so horrible I mean to we really need a Rocky 600,000,258,246,125,486,154,264,158,123,125,123,543,213,131,315,113,654,534,135,451,487,654,584,153,451,453,121,843,032,454,153,480?
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
It s all opinion. Problem is, you present it as fact. There are plenty of people that will vouch that Scorsese's obsession with his subjects end up flawing his movies. "Raging Bull" is incredibly overrated. Mind you, overrated doesn't mean it's not a decent film, but people tend to have a hard on for Scorsese and think he's infalliable, when he isn't.
All the people present their opinions like facts and defend their arguments. Thats is called discussion. But im sure that more plenty of people loves the scorseses movies and his matters and obsesions. I dont think that ranging bull or taxi driver or goodfellas or some of the others are overrated, i think that they are some of the best movies in american cinema in the last 30 years. Classics. I think that scorsese is one of the best and more inteligent filmakers in hollywood in the last 30 years, surely that he has his flaws and his flawed films, but the bigest part of his career is impressing and vey important and influential in the modern cinema.
Originally posted by bakerboy
All the people present their opinions like facts and defend their arguments. Thats is called discussion. But im sure that more plenty of people loves the scorseses movies and his matters and obsesions. I dont think that ranging bull or taxi driver or goodfellas or some of the others are overrated, i think that they are some of the best movies in american cinema in the last 30 years. Classics. I think that scorsese is one of the best and more inteligent filmakers in hollywood in the last 30 years, surely that he has his flaws and his flawed films, but the bigest part of his career is impressing and vey important and influential in the modern cinema.
well said bakerboy.All the people present their opinions as facts.I can recall someone here saying that Rocky 4 is regarded as the best rocky movie when Backfire brilliantly disproved that wild theory.Everybody knows that the original Rocky is indeed regarded by most as the best . 😄 yeah to say raging bull,tazi driver or goodfellas is over rated is insane since like you said,they are definetly regarded as classics in the cinema for the last 30 years.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Yeah, mr parker. I dont understand how on hell a person could say that rocky 4 was the best rocky movie when was purely crap. More a video clip that a movie. The best rocky movie was the first , no doubt. Bes story, best script, best performances, best direction, etc.
ok, we all know that the first one was definatley the best. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE 4th ONE WASN'T GOOD! The 4th one was good, in my opinion. IT HAD CONFLICT, Ivan drago killed Rocky's best friend, Apollo Creed, and He wanted to avenge his death, because rocky knew 2 things: A. He was the one who was supposed to fight him, and B. That he could have saved Apollo by throwing in the towel.
Look, I agree the first one was best, but the others were still good, INCLUDING 5! We are just putting them in comparison with the other rocky movies, Therefore making it look shitty.
My point it being that jedge the film alone, not in comparison with others like it.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Yeah, mr parker. I dont understand how on hell a person could say that rocky 4 was the best rocky movie when was purely crap. More a video clip that a movie. The best rocky movie was the first , no doubt. Bes story, best script, best performances, best direction, etc.
Because it's an opinion, and I've always made it a point to claim it's an opinion. You tend to present your opinion as a fact. As always......
Originally posted by Mandorallen
ok, we all know that the first one was definatley the best. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE 4th ONE WASN'T GOOD! The 4th one was good, in my opinion. IT HAD CONFLICT, Ivan drago killed Rocky's best friend, Apollo Creed, and He wanted to avenge his death, because rocky knew 2 things: A. He was the one who was supposed to fight him, and B. That he could have saved Apollo by throwing in the towel.
Look, I agree the first one was best, but the others were still good, INCLUDING 5! We are just putting them in comparison with the other rocky movies, Therefore making it look shitty.
My point it being that jedge the film alone, not in comparison with others like it.
Yeah you, me and everybody else knows Rocky 1 is considered the best by most but one particular poster on here has a wild theory that rocky 4 is considered the best by most when as backfire brilliantly proved to the contrary,there is no evidence of that whatsoever and proved that rocky one is considered the best by most.There also seems to be some credible people out there who agree with me that rocky 4 was horribly unrealistic.That was my major beef with rocky 4 was was unlike the first three films,it was horribly unrealistic. First off,when Drago said If he dies he dies,saying that without any remorse whatsoever,there would have been at least some people rushing the ring ready to gang up on him and beat the crap out of him and make sure he did not leave alive.There a lot of unrational boxing fanatics out there in the world and some of them would not have stood for that.
2nd,that was so unbelievable and not at all realistic when Rocky started winning the fight against drago how the crowd so quickly turned on drago and rooted for rocky.That was not at all believeable.They would never have sided with rocky like that.
3rd.No originality.It was a total ripoff of rocky 3.In rocky 3,he goes and fights clubber lang because he feels guilty for causing the death of his trainer mickey,that if he had never pushed mickey into managing him one more time,mickey would still be alive. Thats something I remember the movie critics bashing this movie for was being such a copycat of rocky 3 with the death of appollo creed.Old news,we've already seen that before of rocky fighting an opponent because he feels guilty for causing his death since in both cases,he could have prevented it.Kinda reminded me of the star wars movie return of the jedi when the death star was blown up.It was de ju vu all over again.we've already seen that before.
too predicatble. By now,we all knew what the outcome of the fight would be,rocky always wins his fights in the end.No surprise there when he knocked out drago.Rocky 2 people were not sure what would happen when him and appollo went down and tried to get up.Rocky 3,yeah people knew he would beat mr t in the second fight but I think they had their doubts for at least a little while when he got knocked down twice in the second round and it looked like Mr T was going to take control again.
Rocky 4? Like I said,too many rocky movies had been made at that point that it suffered from predictability.It was predictable from the beginning of the fight to the end that eventually rocky would win in the end.I mean it was towards the end of the movie.No way was he going to lose to him.Far too predicatable.Which is why he should have ended it at 3.
the music got crappy by rocky 4. Living in america from james brown,not appropriate for a rocky movie even though the movie was russia vs the united states.sorry but that just doesnt work for a rocky flick unlike Eye of the tiger did for rocky 3.Rocky 3 is my second favorite because Eye of the tiger always inspired me and there were two fights in the film.plus as ivander holifield said when he was guest star watching all the rocky films when they showed them all not too long ago,it was the most realistic of them all because it showed how was a fighter gets on top of his game,he gets soft and stops training as hard as he did before and there is always some other fighter out there hungrier for the title than you are and eventually takes it from you.real life example.Mike tyson got too cocky and stopped training hard and buster douglas was more hungey for the titel and took it away from tyson.
But the biggest sin of all for Rocky 4 and the thing that made this movie so horribly unrealistic unlike the first 3 films was the believability factor.Remember in rocky 3 when Appollo and his trainer were watching film clips of rockys first fight with clubber lang where clubber knocked him out in the first round? I will never forget the words the trainer spoke to appollo which was -"damn that clubbers strong.we got to put him away early.I figure with clubbers strength and everything,rocky can last about 5 or 6 rounds at the most going toe to toe with clubber.we got to put him away early." fortunately for rocky he did.
According to appollo's trainer,he wisely knew that rocky could not survive that kind of punishment in the ring from clubber for more than 6 rounds,that he would be too strong for him to handle that long.
well remember in rocky 4 where the media was televising how strong drago was? they mentioned that the average fighter like -appollo and rocky,hit at about 85psi's,while drago would hit at like 195 psi's.
Lets see,according to appollos trainer,rocky would not have been able to survive in the ring from the beating of clubber lang-another average fighter,for more than 6 rounds.yet he somehow miraculously survives a beating from drago who hits a 100x's harder than clubber for "15" rounds? yeah right.that is horrible screenwriting at its worst.
Not only that,but when I said there are credible people out there who dont like rocky 4 because of how horribly unrealistic it was,I was referring to ivander holyfield.a former heavyweight title holder.He as well said what I knew along time ago when I was wacthing all the rocky films like 6 months ago or so on TNT,That rocky 4 was his least favorite film because it was so unrealistic.He like appollos trainer,said that rocky like appollo,woule NEVER have survived that beating he got from drago in the ring.He said that no human being alive could take that kind of beating and live,let alone last 15 rounds,that in real life,the referre would have stopped the fight a long time ago. that was always my biggest problem with rocky was that rocky like appoolo would have died as well from that fight.Ivander holyfield himself said that.
so if you want a rocky film that is realistic and believeable which I do,then rocky 1 through 3 are good films to watch.4 definetetly is not though.If you consider a rocky film like rocky 4 that is horribly unrealistic though a good movie though,then yeah, rocky 4 is the film for you to enjoy and watch then.
I myself though like rocky films that have some realisem in it so I will stick with rocky one through 3. 🙂