Magneto could easily cause the destruction of the entire planet in a matter of hours in exactly the fashion demigawd has put forth.... throwing large objects from orbit would make nuclear war look like childrens playground fights...that would be worldsplitting destruction...remember one meteor , actually smaller than asteroid M , was theorized to have completly destroyed the dinosaurs , even if you dont count the collateral damage the blast would be enough to rock a quarter of our country
Originally posted by LGodamus
Magneto could easily cause the destruction of the entire planet in a matter of hours in exactly the fashion demigawd has put forth.... throwing large objects from orbit would make nuclear war look like childrens playground fights...that would be worldsplitting destruction...remember one meteor , actually smaller than asteroid M , was theorized to have completly destroyed the dinosaurs , even if you dont count the collateral damage the blast would be enough to rock a quarter of our country
The explosions from nuclear war isn't what would kill everything on the planet... The insane radiation is. So while an asteroid may cause the same amount of damage as the explosion, it lacks many of the after effects.
That said, Magneto still wins. xmarksthespot brought up pulling down a random asteroid. Would Asteroid M not be more readily available? It's been shown he can at least move it. Once he pulls it a little ways, gravity can do the rest. Something that big could probably flood a continent or two. He'd kill freaking millions.
Combing the Earth is brilliant. He gets it to a mile or two wide and just sweeps over cities. He could also make other tools if he got bored with a comb. Shoveling the Earth. Spatula-ing the Earth. Hoeing the earth... The possibilities are endless. 😆
That teabagging thing was hilarious. I knew "giant metal balls" sounded dirty but I didn't even think about that.
Originally posted by demigawd
As big as the artist wanted to make it, it seemed. But by all accounts, it easily meets to 10km size it takes to cause the 10,000 nuke effect discussed in the article link I posted.
Originally posted by Dizzle
The explosions from nuclear war isn't what would kill everything on the planet... The insane radiation is. So while an asteroid may cause the same amount of damage as the explosion, it lacks many of the after effects.That said, Magneto still wins. xmarksthespot brought up pulling down a random asteroid. Would Asteroid M not be more readily available? It's been shown he can at least move it. Once he pulls it a little ways, gravity can do the rest. Something that big could probably flood a continent or two. He'd kill freaking millions.
Combing the Earth is brilliant. He gets it to a mile or two wide and just sweeps over cities. He could also make other tools if he got bored with a comb. Shoveling the Earth. Spatula-ing the Earth. Hoeing the earth... The possibilities are endless. 😆
Just a note of correction - asteroids from space = LOTS OF RADIATION.
And that's just the beginning of the nightmare. tidal waves, earthquakes, dust blocking out the sun for thousands of years are all effects in excess of nuclear explosions. Though 10,000 warheads going off would probably have the same kinds of side effects.
(Wazzup demi. I knew you'd show up.)
Science isn't really my 'strong point' (though it's far from my weak point), but there is a glaring flaw in that meteor attack you're suggesting:
Velocity.
Upwards of 100,000 miles per hour velocity, actually.
Magneto can't form a mass of metal that large and garner the speed necessary to create the nuke effect while he himself is here on Earth. Meteors, asteroids, comets, etc. are all travelling at extreme velocities through space when they impact Earth and cause those nuclear holocaust-esque effects. It's a combination of mass and velocity that causes the destruction, not just mass.
I'm not saying that dropping a giant mass of metal and concrete from orbit is not going to cause massive destruction, but not anywhere near the degree you're suggesting.
Nice argument though.
I knew you'd bring it when it comes to Magneto. That's why I had to take away a majority of his abilities to make it fair.
Hey Ill! Long time no see. I haven't been on for a couple of months, with all the hurricane stuff going on I've been really busy traveling all over the place because of it. But I have a few days to chill out so I'm doing it here. 🙂
As for the giant asteroid - is Magneto restricted to Earth for this?
I see it this way, IIRC, escape velocity is 25,000mph, a quarter of the velocity you referenced. Magneto was able to propel Avalon, which is several times larger than even Asteroid M into space at AT LEAST 25,000mph. So we give up some velocity in exchange for greater mass in a purposefully directed attack....I'd say it's still far in excess of what Storm is capable of.
25,000 miles per hour is pretty fast, but I'm not sure Magneto moved the objects at that speed. That's a high hypersonic speed. In so doing with objects of that size Magneto would have caused severe air displacement and shockwaves accross Earth and killed millions, and I don't remember that occuring when he launched those objects into orbit (though like me, Marvel's strong suit is not exactly scientific accuracy).
You sure he didn't just negate the effects of gravity around those objects for the time being and simply place them in space, then when they were in position allow the Earth's gravitational pull to keep them in orbit?
Originally posted by illadelph12
25,000 miles per hour is pretty fast, but I'm not sure Magneto moved the objects at that speed. That's a high hypersonic speed. In so doing with objects of that size Magneto would have caused severe air displacement and shockwaves accross Earth and killed millions, and I don't remember that occuring when he launched those objects into orbit (though like me, Marvel's strong suit is not exactly scientific accuracy).You sure he didn't just negate the effects of gravity around those objects for the time being and simply place them in space, then when they were in position allow the Earth's gravitational pull to keep them in orbit?
You're getting good son. 😉 😛
When Xavier forced Magneto to launch Avalon back into space, I doubt Xavier was skilled enough to take into account negating gravity effects, so something tells me it was actually by sheer force. As for collateral damage....showing that isn't exactly comic's strong suite.
Though you did mention yet another way for Magneto to cause mass destruction. 😛
Originally posted by demigawd
When Xavier forced Magneto to launch Avalon back into space, I doubt Xavier was skilled enough to take into account negating gravity effects, so something tells me it was actually by sheer force. As for collateral damage....showing that isn't exactly comic's strong suite.Though you did mention yet another way for Magneto to cause mass destruction. 😛
By interfacing with Magneto he would have been privy to Magnetos knowledge. Of course he would have picked up some info about how to use Mags' powers before tapping into the power of someone with such vast capabilities.
By interfacing with Magneto he would have been privy to Magnetos knowledge. Of course he would have picked up some info about how to use Mags' powers before tapping into the power of someone with such vast capabilities.
Yeah, and i don't think Xavier could have done all of that fast enough to use Magneto's power with that kind of skill in the time it took to send Magneto off before the Acolytes would have dogpiled him.
If, for arguments sake, Magneto were to suspend gravity, it would still propel Avalon at incredible speeds devoid of friction. If anything, it would make the destruction coming back down even worse because of the increased velocity.
Besides, if destruction is the name of the game, then Magneto would WANT to cause all the damage Ill mentioned. So either way, the planet is fuuuuuuuuuuucked.