Originally posted by Uberking Robert
Up yours, shitface.
Did you just quote a reply from page 2? haha. Well at that time I really didn't post many feats. I think now everyone knows their badass. Also your the guy who heard about my little thread, but where did you hear about it from?
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Northstar
Uncany X-Men #392-Here Northstar is showing his quick reflexes and speed countering the guys gun and putting it into his mouth.
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/UXM392_4.jpg
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Uncany X-Men #392-Here Northstar quickly and easily takes out Paulie Provenzano. Paulie [Bio] just walked into the house and a few seconds later Northstar sends him flying out the door. The guy has super strength enough to crush a gun with ease and invulnerability. As he says "Turns out, I'm like indestructible. Guns? Knives? Bazookas? They don't do nada. I'm like the Thing, only I aint got the brick mug."
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/UXM392_16.jpg
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if your body was designed to withstand the pressures of the ocean floor, you'd explode on dry land because your internal pressure would be exponentially higher than it should be. marrina and namor have a naturally regulated durability which would alter their body's resistances so that they're resistant to the environment around them, but they're not hurting themselves by being so.
also, pisces was a teleporter. murmur just said "paris," and her nebulous powers made pisces teleport there. also, i think it was virgo. pisces, i believe, was the water chick.
lil's physical "superhuman" strength is likely peak-human at best. her strength derives more from her body's inability to be crushed, harmed or injured, letting her support weights much greater than her muscles would let her press. however, unbreakable muscle fibers are likely somewhat stronger than the typical. the same was the case with provenzano, mild super-strength with incredible durability. and, since northstar used that same attack against the hulk once, do you really expect some first-appearance guido to stand up to it?
Can't make a big reply now on the first part, but comment on the last two paragraphs part first since it's the easiest and quickest. Yeah it was Virgo, and if she didn't teleport her the next question is how did she know Virgo had a teleporter? This was their first confrontation and they didn't know yet the Zodiac could teleport out.
Taurus later had to go get Virgo in Paris and comments, "He said your earth sign teleporter wasn't workin' but that we both could use mine". Was it not working before she got "teleported" or did it break when she went to Paris? there really is more to Murmur than we know since she is a "legacy mutant". For example she needs to make physical contact to control people, yet she broke Mesmero's hold on Radius by making "contact" with him. Well she can't due to his forcefield, so how did she do it?
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/5525/murmer.html
Well considering Cap is peak human and has shown to lift a ton so that's fine. Still doesn't match up with her strength stats saying she is "normal". She obviously has more strength than a normal human, because even if you have a invulnerable body that is diamond hard you still need the force to hit something to destroy it like the things she has done. She has even killed a alternate reality Spider-Man by grabing his leg and swinging him into a brick wall cracking his skull and breaking his neck [AF #74].
No I didn't, why would you bring that up? I didn't even remember the character, is it important? no. Is it a feat for Northstar? yeah so I added it. You argue points that don't need to be argued. Are you trying to discredit this thread?
Now with the Marrina comment, yeah that's fine she can adjust her durability. However, state it as such since in other stats they comment on the persons strongest showings such as Northstar is a 6 in speed, but he has never traveled that fast. Hulk doesn't always start of in strength level 7, same with Apoc but they stated as such.
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Alpha Flight vs. The Army
Alpha Flight #71-Here the Canadian government storms in on Alpha FLight while their having an important discussion about their future as a team.
Feats shown:
-Talisman knows who is attacking and when they were about to attack, unlike everyone else
-Shaman using his sleep powder against 3 soliders
-Goblyn shows how powerful it's claws are
-Talisman sets out a blast that stops Alpha Flight attacking
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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Did you just quote a reply from page 2? haha. Well at that time I really didn't post many feats. I think now everyone knows their badass. Also your the guy who heard about my little thread, but where did you hear about it from?
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[b]Northstar
Uncany X-Men #392-Here Northstar is showing his quick reflexes and speed countering the guys gun and putting it into his mouth.1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/UXM392_4.jpg
2. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/UXM392_5.jpgUncany X-Men #392-Here Northstar quickly and easily takes out Paulie Provenzano. Paulie [Bio] just walked into the house and a few seconds later Northstar sends him flying out the door. The guy has super strength enough to crush a gun with ease and invulnerability. As he says "Turns out, I'm like indestructible. Guns? Knives? Bazookas? They don't do nada. I'm like the Thing, only I aint got the brick mug."
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/UXM392_16.jpg
2. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/UXM392_17.jpg [/B]
Magneto couldn't rip apart Paulie either in the following issues...also, when Magneto flinged Paulie in space, Northstar was fast enough to fly there and save him before he died.
my points were made to clarify some misunderstandings or misconceptions that could be derived from the handbooks or posts in this thread. i wouldn't try to discredit the thread, but i think there was a fair bit of misrepresentation in the northstar v. paulie blurb. the only feat we'd seen prior to northstar kicking his ass was that paulie was bulletproof. all his bragging and story-telling likely has some sort of hyperbole involved given his nature, and northstar batting him hundreds of times per second (as he did against the hulk) is no more a feat than having him running at mach whatever. it's just a part of his powers, and it's the weaker of the two examples.
bringing up the namor/marrina argument wasn't to excuse the handbooks, which i've never had faith in, but to give some context to DC's comment about namor being stabbed. the variable nature of their durability would make them weaker on the surface, thus letting injuries that would have no effect on them underwater cause some damage on land.
and peak human strength is 800 lbs. i'd say lil's somewhere in there, given her powers and sheer size. she's not "superhuman" in the same way others are, though, and it was my intent to make that clear.
murmur and radius both made comments about how she de-hypnotised him. something along the lines of "i thought you had to touch someone for your powers to work," and "maybe i did." that could be as ambiguous toward jared's powers as it is toward arlette's. it seems like this whole speculation around her powers is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Originally posted by Disappear
my points were made to clarify some misunderstandings or misconceptions that could be derived from the handbooks or posts in this thread. i wouldn't try to discredit the thread, but i think there was a fair bit of misrepresentation in the northstar v. paulie blurb. the only feat we'd seen prior to northstar kicking his ass was that paulie was bulletproof. all his bragging and story-telling likely has some sort of hyperbole involved given his nature, and northstar batting him hundreds of times per second (as he did against the hulk) is no more a feat than having him running at mach whatever. it's just a part of his powers, and it's the weaker of the two examples.bringing up the namor/marrina argument wasn't to excuse the handbooks, which i've never had faith in, but to give some context to DC's comment about namor being stabbed. the variable nature of their durability would make them weaker on the surface, thus letting injuries that would have no effect on them underwater cause some damage on land.
and peak human strength is 800 lbs. i'd say lil's somewhere in there, given her powers and sheer size. she's not "superhuman" in the same way others are, though, and it was my intent to make that clear.
Oh then that's fine, I'm not saying Marrina is impervious to harm. Just to comment her durability is more than just normalmurmur and radius both made comments about how she de-hypnotised him. something along the lines of "i thought you had to touch someone for your powers to work," and "maybe i did." that could be as ambiguous toward jared's powers as it is toward arlette's. it seems like this whole speculation around her powers is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
I didn't say anything that wasn't true about Paulie since that is what he did in the same comicbook Northstar beat him up in. I didn't pump him up to be something he isn't, just commented on what he did and is able to do and posted a bio. It's a feat, due to the fact he beat an invulernable person pounding him mutliple times just like the Hulk as you said so that in itself is a feat. I don't see how it's not, since it's Northstar using his abilities beating someone. Northstar has jobbed many times to people such as getting killed by Wolverine, but those scans are to give credit to Northstar's fighting ability to what he can actually do.
Oh that's fine, no way is Marrina invulnerable. Just stating her durability far from being normal if she can survive the depths of the ocean floor and be fine.
She has still shown to do much more than peak human strength though. Like sending a 550 lbs Box armour 30 feet through a building is more than peak human. Even though she has a invulnerable body she still needs the strength and force to move an object or destroy it. I wouldn't say she is multiple ton strength, because to my knowledge she hasn't shown that much. However, she still has shown she is more than a normal human.
Except for Radius didn't have a thing for Arlette, all her advances he brushed off. She tried multiple times to touch him and even try to give him a massage and failed. Radius even has tried many times to lower his shield, but can't. Murmur has shown multiple times there is more to her powers from the examples from that site. Even Virgo's teleport was different than her other time she has controled people such as when she touches them they don't have independent thought yet Virgo states, "Scorpio I'm fading awayyyy" like an external force was sending her away.
Marrina
The Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe - Master Edition #19-Yesh! what a nice picture of Marrina. I have honestly only seen one picture of her that made her look good. She has been shown to go 900 knots before not 50-60 knots as the handbook states. This handbook entry has her having a higher durability. Click Here! to see what the stats mean.
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Snowbird
The Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe - Master Edition #27-Good description of her powers, but the animal traits don't overload her anymore since she can talk in animal form and she has changed from a cougar to Wendigo without any strain. Wait....race of superhumans? eh? no their actual gods not superhumans. Click Here! to see what the stats mean.
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/MasterEdition-27-Snowbird_1.jpg
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Windshear
The Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe - Master Edition #26-Older bio of Windshear, he is much stronger than that but a decent overview. Click Here! to see what the stats mean.
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Originally posted by Blair Wind
Mungi Wendigo has fought Alpha Flight before right? about how powerful is he??? any scans of him vs Alpha Flight?
He has fought Alpha Flight twice:
1) Alpha Flight [Guardian, Shaman, Snowbird] with Nightcrawler and Wolverine battled in Uncanny X-Men #139-140. In the end it's Snowbird who transforms into a Wolverine and beats Wendigo single handled. The Shaman breaks the spell transforming him back into human. He's your typical brute strength kinda guy that can go toe to toe with the Hulk. Scans can be found on pg.4 [Shaman and Snowbird]....full fight is not up yet just bits and peices.
2) Alpha Flight w/ Wolverine fight Mauvais Wendigo in Wolverine #170-172. This is probally the most powerful of all the Wendigo forms. They win, by freeing the Gods of the Arctic and they banish Wendigo to the Land of the Great Beasts. This guy easily takes out Wolverine and has magical powers. Scans can be seen on pg.9 [Part A & B]
