Superman vs. Hulk

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
After receiving that first punch Supes declared that it was time to lay down the law and got tossed into orbit. He was not just trying to calm him down, he was fighting. And the Hulk on the other hand wanted to be left alone and was simply fighting Supes off. Heck, Supes attacked him from behind before getting tossed.

Supes was complaining about Hulk's speed throughout the fight. Why would he be doing that if he was not trying to keep up with Hulk's speed. That was not a case of being the only time that he used superspeed, it was a case of countering Hulk when Hulk tossed the missiles at him.

Plus Eddie Berganza staed that characters like Mongul can overcome Superman's speed with their overwelming strength. The same applies to the Hulk.The point is that Mongul Jr. does pose a challenge for Supes despite Superspeed, and Berganza's explaination is that strength can overwelm speed enough to close the gap. At least according to comic book science.

You guys constantly say "what if Supes throws a trillion punches in one second" etc. etc. without considering that the laws of comics have established that superspeedsters don't necessarily overwhelm powerful non-speedsters. There are years of continuity to support this. Why else does Flash catch hell against Grod?

If Superman moved the moon The gray HULK once shattered a plane that was gonig to crash with earth(MCP#52:Grey Hulk,with a single punch,shattters an asteroid 2x the size of the earth!)

This is another thing. Doomsday(which is a Hulk rip off whether people want to admit it or not) KILLED Superman. You would think that Superman would use all his powers(God knows he has so many) to beat a beast like that but he didn't. That is why I think that the fight would be.

As for flying, Superman could try and fly Hulk into outer space, but, like Doomsday, Hulk could break free when up in the air and probably would and i remember where Hulk was fighting Gladiator(he on the same level as supes), and he tried to fly Hulk into space, and Hulk did a thunderclap with gladiator's head between his hands.
And don't forget, the Hulk has fought enemies who can fly, and the Hulk has beaten them too, just like the fast enemies. As for the DC vs Marvel, it was fan picked and if the fans had picked Hulk to win, then sure enough Hulk would have beaten Superman.

plus, hulk would stomp the crap out of superman because :

1 madder = stronger no known limit (dynamic strenght + healing factor - the best ever in MU)
2 supes has trouble with big guys: doomsday, grundy
3 hulk beat gladiator
4 hulks healing power is arguably the best in the marvel universe
5 hulk is a relentless engine of destruction

(1)With unlimited strength, Hulk is potentially stronger than Supes. Hell, Hulk is potentially stronger than anyone, period.

Why? According to HULK THE INCREDIBLE GUIDE, Hulk can grow strong enough to conquer any opponent as there seems to be no limit to his strength. So, yes, there probably is no limit to Hulk's strength and therefore he can get stronger than Superman.

Wow. You just made DevilHulk cream himself.

However, it doesn't stop you from being wrong. 'Comic rules' matter little on the forum where PIS is taken out of the equation. Vastly superior speed will always beat vastly superior strength. Look at any Flash versus thread, for example.

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
"NRAMA: There’s always that old joke about who would win in a fight between Superman and the Hulk. But can that be explained with science?

JK: From a physics point of view, I would go with the Hulk for the following reasons: the angrier he gets, the stronger he’s going to get. There’s even an explanation for this because as he’s getting frustrated there’s more adrenaline pumping in his system, so that’s a trigger for increase in his strength and if he keeps pounding on Superman until it was nighttime then Superman won’t be soaking up any solar radiation and he starts getting a little weaker. So I think eventually the Hulk might win that one, but that’s purely from a science point of view, not from a fan point of view.

actually on a science point of view wouldent an aliens power set that includes invonerable...cept only to things from krypton and of magic decent.....shouldent that mean hulk can hit him all year long and not harm him?....even in the he-man comic sups and he-man punched eachother in the face reapeatedly...(he-mans strenght also countinues to grow infintly)

Originally posted by Soljer
Wow. You just made DevilHulk cream himself.

who's Devilhulk ?

Originally posted by xmeat
When wolverine sliced grey hulk open with his claws logan thought he was finished but grey hulk regenerated quite fast. I could also tell you hulk healed from a near skeleton.

The only close time I can think of, would be Gladiator shooting him in the chest, which ripped his chest open, but it didn't go all the way through.
He was hurt to, so I can only imagine what it going all the way through would do.

Anyway, he has other options besides HV anyway.

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
You guys constantly say "what if Supes throws a trillion punches in one second" etc. etc. without considering that the laws of comics have established that superspeedsters don't necessarily overwhelm powerful non-speedsters. There are years of continuity to support this. Why else does Flash catch hell against Grod?

If Superman moved the moon The gray HULK once shattered a plane that was gonig to crash with earth(MCP#52:Grey Hulk,with a single punch,shattters an asteroid 2x the size of the earth!)

This is another thing. Doomsday(which is a Hulk rip off whether people want to admit it or not) KILLED Superman. You would think that Superman would use all his powers(God knows he has so many) to beat a beast like that but he didn't. That is why I think that the fight would be.

As for flying, Superman could try and fly Hulk into outer space, but, like Doomsday, Hulk could break free when up in the air and probably would and i remember where Hulk was fighting Gladiator(he on the same level as supes), and he tried to fly Hulk into space, and Hulk did a thunderclap with gladiator's head between his hands.

And don't forget, the Hulk has fought enemies who can fly, and the Hulk has beaten them too, just like the fast enemies. As for the DC vs Marvel, it was fan picked and if the fans had picked Hulk to win, then sure enough Hulk would have beaten Superman.

I'll just make it short but sweet.

First paragraph:
Flash isn't Superman.
Also, what about the time Superman blitzed an Imperiex probe?

Second paragraph:
Hulk only did that with speed, and his duribility. It is exactly the same as how Superman did his, which both would not include strength.

Third paragraph:
He may be a rip-off, but he has shown, superspeed, an actual mindless state all the time, in which he doesn't care if he kills 1 or 100 people.
He also has spikes on his hands.
In fact, Doomsday is irrelevent to this thread, unless Hulk doesn't care if he kills people, gets superspeed, and grows a bunch of super dense bones out of his knuckles, oh, and can adapt to anything.

Fourth paragraph:
Umm, you can't be serious. Superman flew DARKf*ckingSEID to the sun in a matter of seconds. Hulk is going to need more than a couple seconds going at beyond lightspeed to fight off Superman.

Fifth paragraph:
Faster than him...
Just like here right?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5396939
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5396958

Ya, look how the people actually using there speed treat Hulk.

It doesn't matter if they were faster than him, if they didn't use their speed, then it doesn't matter.

Hulk still isn't hitting Superman.
Good day sir.

hulks already shown in his fight with glads and hyperion he can take superman. supes grabbed hulk from behind and hulk still tossed his ass. and glads tried that already didn't work. Whether you want to believe it hulks got supermans number end of story.

Originally posted by xmeat
hulks already shown in his fight with glads and hyperion he can take superman. supes grabbed hulk from behind and hulk still tossed his ass. and glads tried that already didn't work. Whether you want to believe it hulks got supermans number end of story.

You never answered the main, principle question:

How will the Hulk knock Superman out?

Superman who can travel at dozens of times the speed of light?

Superman who could generate heat so great that it can't possibly be measured.

Superman who could sundip and beat the utter shit out of the hulk faster than the Hulk could bat an eyelash.

Superman who has taken maggeddon warheads and planet busting attacks to the chin unphased.

Superman who could mind**** the hell out of the Hulk.

What is the Hulk going to do, exactly? Try to punch Superman real hard? He'd never lay a finger on Superman. And even if he did, it'd be nothing compared to the damage Superman's taken in the past.

Originally posted by xmeat
hulks already shown in his fight with glads and hyperion he can take superman. supes grabbed hulk from behind and hulk still tossed his ass. and glads tried that already didn't work. Whether you want to believe it hulks got supermans number end of story.

That was a non-canon crossover (if you want to use that, then Hulk also can't hurt Superman).

Ya, fine... then tell me how he is going to hit Supes then. That is the one question I wanted answered out of my whole post, and it's not happening soon. So, if this somehow gets answered, then we will move onto Superman's powers, but until then, he isn't laying a hand on him, let alone enough to take him out.

Wait... is Hulk a little, you know... why would he have Superman's number? I sense an attraction... and a new crossover!

Superman: "Hello?"
Hulk: "Just put banana in Hulk's mouth."
Superman: "Who is this?"
Hulk: "Hulk is the hardes... er, Hulk mean strongest there is. Hulk also heard you were a dick."
Superman: "Oh... you want Apollo."
Hulk: "Who? No, don't hang up on Hulk... *click*... Hulk sleeps alone tonight."

Why does this thread even exist still, and how did 150 people actually think Hulk would win? Honestly.

Originally posted by Deathstroke
Why does this thread even exist still, and how did 150 people actually think Hulk would win? Honestly.

Actually i know tons of hulk fans who usually don't vote in that kind of opinion poll since it's always a popularity contest. Hulk fans don't need to vote because they think the green guy is naturally stronger than blu guy.

Originally posted by Soljer
You never answered the main, principle question:

How will the Hulk knock Superman out?

Superman who can travel at dozens of times the speed of light?

Superman who could generate heat so great that it can't possibly be measured.

Superman who could sundip and beat the utter shit out of the hulk faster than the Hulk could bat an eyelash.

Superman who has taken maggeddon warheads and planet busting attacks to the chin unphased.

Superman who could mind**** the hell out of the Hulk.

What is the Hulk going to do, exactly? Try to punch Superman real hard? He'd never lay a finger on Superman. And even if he did, it'd be nothing compared to the damage Superman's taken in the past.

And that last line is rubbish to the bone. Hulk`s punches wont do enough damage to get him hurt? What a bucket of bull. The same Superman that has been physically hurt by top tiers who are arguably less stronger than the Goliath?

Originally posted by Deathstroke
Why does this thread even exist still, and how did 150 people actually think Hulk would win? Honestly.

and let me know :

since 200 posters voted for the blue guy, and only 150 posters voted for the green guy, does it maybe mean the blue guy should be above the green guy ?

did you realize in any opinion poll, people votes for the favourite character ?

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
After receiving that first punch Supes declared that it was time to lay down the law and got tossed into orbit. He was not just trying to calm him down, he was fighting. And the Hulk on the other hand wanted to be left alone and was simply fighting Supes off. Heck, Supes attacked him from behind before getting tossed.

Supes was complaining about Hulk's speed throughout the fight. Why would he be doing that if he was not trying to keep up with Hulk's speed. That was not a case of being the only time that he used superspeed, it was a case of countering Hulk when Hulk tossed the missiles at him.

Plus Eddie Berganza staed that characters like Mongul can overcome Superman's speed with their overwelming strength. The same applies to the Hulk.The point is that Mongul Jr. does pose a challenge for Supes despite Superspeed, and Berganza's explaination is that strength can overwelm speed enough to close the gap. At least according to comic book science.

You guys constantly say "what if Supes throws a trillion punches in one second" etc. etc. without considering that the laws of comics have established that superspeedsters don't necessarily overwhelm powerful non-speedsters. There are years of continuity to support this. Why else does Flash catch hell against Grod?

If Superman moved the moon The gray HULK once shattered a plane that was gonig to crash with earth(MCP#52:Grey Hulk,with a single punch,shattters an asteroid 2x the size of the earth!)

This is another thing. Doomsday(which is a Hulk rip off whether people want to admit it or not) KILLED Superman. You would think that Superman would use all his powers(God knows he has so many) to beat a beast like that but he didn't. That is why I think that the fight would be.

As for flying, Superman could try and fly Hulk into outer space, but, like Doomsday, Hulk could break free when up in the air and probably would and i remember where Hulk was fighting Gladiator(he on the same level as supes), and he tried to fly Hulk into space, and Hulk did a thunderclap with gladiator's head between his hands.
And don't forget, the Hulk has fought enemies who can fly, and the Hulk has beaten them too, just like the fast enemies. As for the DC vs Marvel, it was fan picked and if the fans had picked Hulk to win, then sure enough Hulk would have beaten Superman.

plus, hulk would stomp the crap out of superman because :

1 madder = stronger no known limit (dynamic strenght + healing factor - the best ever in MU)
2 supes has trouble with big guys: doomsday, grundy
3 hulk beat gladiator
4 hulks healing power is arguably the best in the marvel universe
5 hulk is a relentless engine of destruction

(1)With unlimited strength, Hulk is potentially stronger than Supes. Hell, Hulk is potentially stronger than anyone, period.

Why? According to HULK THE INCREDIBLE GUIDE, Hulk can grow strong enough to conquer any opponent as there seems to be no limit to his strength. So, yes, there probably is no limit to Hulk's strength and therefore he can get stronger than Superman.

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u do know superman can move at near light speed in combat... who the hell would agree that hulk can move that fast? superman holds back, afraid he'd kill hulk rather than "lay down the law" and try to calm him down. so flawed, ur arguement is!

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
and let me know :

since 200 posters voted for the blue guy, and only 150 posters voted for the green guy, does it maybe mean the blue guy should be above the green guy ?

did you realize in any opinion poll, people votes for the favourite character ?

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
After receiving that first punch Supes declared that it was time to lay down the law and got tossed into orbit. He was not just trying to calm him down, he was fighting. And the Hulk on the other hand wanted to be left alone and was simply fighting Supes off. Heck, Supes attacked him from behind before getting tossed.

Supes was complaining about Hulk's speed throughout the fight. Why would he be doing that if he was not trying to keep up with Hulk's speed. That was not a case of being the only time that he used superspeed, it was a case of countering Hulk when Hulk tossed the missiles at him.

Plus Eddie Berganza staed that characters like Mongul can overcome Superman's speed with their overwelming strength. The same applies to the Hulk.The point is that Mongul Jr. does pose a challenge for Supes despite Superspeed, and Berganza's explaination is that strength can overwelm speed enough to close the gap. At least according to comic book science.

You guys constantly say "what if Supes throws a trillion punches in one second" etc. etc. without considering that the laws of comics have established that superspeedsters don't necessarily overwhelm powerful non-speedsters. There are years of continuity to support this. Why else does Flash catch hell against Grod?

If Superman moved the moon The gray HULK once shattered a plane that was gonig to crash with earth(MCP#52:Grey Hulk,with a single punch,shattters an asteroid 2x the size of the earth!)

This is another thing. Doomsday(which is a Hulk rip off whether people want to admit it or not) KILLED Superman. You would think that Superman would use all his powers(God knows he has so many) to beat a beast like that but he didn't. That is why I think that the fight would be.

As for flying, Superman could try and fly Hulk into outer space, but, like Doomsday, Hulk could break free when up in the air and probably would and i remember where Hulk was fighting Gladiator(he on the same level as supes), and he tried to fly Hulk into space, and Hulk did a thunderclap with gladiator's head between his hands.
And don't forget, the Hulk has fought enemies who can fly, and the Hulk has beaten them too, just like the fast enemies. As for the DC vs Marvel, it was fan picked and if the fans had picked Hulk to win, then sure enough Hulk would have beaten Superman.

plus, hulk would stomp the crap out of superman because :

1 madder = stronger no known limit (dynamic strenght + healing factor - the best ever in MU)
2 supes has trouble with big guys: doomsday, grundy
3 hulk beat gladiator
4 hulks healing power is arguably the best in the marvel universe
5 hulk is a relentless engine of destruction

(1)With unlimited strength, Hulk is potentially stronger than Supes. Hell, Hulk is potentially stronger than anyone, period.

Why? According to HULK THE INCREDIBLE GUIDE, Hulk can grow strong enough to conquer any opponent as there seems to be no limit to his strength. So, yes, there probably is no limit to Hulk's strength and therefore he can get stronger than Superman.

I am going to tackle this debate full on. It's just more fun than some of the other threads I was thinking of posting in. So anyway, first off Superman takes it 6/10 at least. Hulk fans may not like me, but Supes has taken on great odds and fantastic opponents to dispel the idea that "Hulk Smash Puny Superman." But this puts me at odds with a great percentage of KMC'ers. 4/10 wins for Hulk? How could I possibly justify that? So my debate will mainly be those who place "Superman 10/10 easy-breezy." Although, I'll also be willing to debate against rabid "Hulk pwnorz 15/10!" supporters also. So let's begin with some general points I want to make:

1) For god's sake, those of you who put Superman 10/10, don't underestimate Hulk. Supes kills Hulk in 1 millisecond? Gimme a break. Hulk's out of his class? Jeez. Have you ever read a Hulk comic in your life guys? He constantly faces down Superman level beings and threats all the time. Hyperion, Thor, Surfer, Juggernaut, Gladiator, etc. He is no simple pushover. So for goodness sake, if you don't know Hulk, or simply don't like Hulk, then read this thread over a bit and then come back. I agree with one of Darkcrawler's posts, it is one of the best respect threads here at KMC:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/354306_1-hulk-respect-thread

Originally posted by batdude123
Strength is NOT the deciding factor in this battle.

That's what you dim witted Hulk supporters fail to realize..... this wouldn't be a slugfest.

Superman everyday, all day, every time 10/10.

End of discussion.

3) Even if we ignore what Hulk can do with strength alone and put that on the side, I see a god awful amount of people placing complete faith in Superman's speed alone in allowing Superman 10/10.

Originally posted by batdude123
As per forum rules, each competitor will fight to their maximum capabilities with their power sets.

Do you know what that means? That means that Superman would not engage Hulk in a h2h match, but instead use his power set wisely to speedblitz him for the win. Honestly, this fight would last all but a millisecond. 😬

Superman 10/10

Originally posted by Soljer
You never answered the main, principle question:

How will the Hulk knock Superman out?

Superman who can travel at dozens of times the speed of light?

Superman who could generate heat so great that it can't possibly be measured.

Superman who could sundip and beat the utter shit out of the hulk faster than the Hulk could bat an eyelash.

Superman who has taken maggeddon warheads and planet busting attacks to the chin unphased.

Superman who could mind**** the hell out of the Hulk.

What is the Hulk going to do, exactly? Try to punch Superman real hard? He'd never lay a finger on Superman. And even if he did, it'd be nothing compared to the damage Superman's taken in the past.

And about T-Vo? Yeah. I can tackle that too. Cosmic level and dimensional lords have tried to mind-f*ck Hulk before. You guys act like nobody's ever thought to attack Hulk mentally in a comic before. Mind over matter angle... yes... how radical. I can see why you thought no super-villain would ever try that against the Hulk. *sarcasm off* FYI, if you guys want, we can pass over it as I've already given Superman a 1 match out of 10 for T-Vo use in my count for him already, but if you're interested, bring up T-Vo too if you want. To be honest however, I think even the most rabid of Superman fans hate T-Vo.

Originally posted by ThePittman
No because one, Rhino can't breath in space and Hulk current profile says that he can't so if he could breath in space over 17 years ago why wouldn't it be in his current profile? So please get your head out of your butt and show some proof of what you say because no one here will take your word except for you bed buddy xmeat. Show me the scan of him breathing in space from that time frame, I have shown you a current version of him needing oxygen so if he adapted why does he need it now?

That scan even suggests what some have argued that Hulk would mutate to overcome any onstacle. For my part, I think that's utter horsecrap and Doomsday-lite. Hulk doesn't need that sh1t. Access to limitless power is enough explanation for me and more than enough for Hulk. Finally... here's a scan of part of Hulk's Godeye fight in outer space in case anybody's interested. It went on for 11 pages and was too long, so I chose a splash shot. So let's bring it:

You bring up some good points but there are a few flaws. You say the Hulk can deal with speed, there has only been one legitimist scan of dealing with anyone of speed and that is only at the speed of sound, nothing even close to Superman. The other is how does Hulk adapt to being hit in the first second of the fight over hundred million times? You also assume that the Hulk is starting out at peak levels that he wouldn't, he would need time to get stronger and the time is what he doesn't have. With out PIS or CIS, Hulk cannot win a quick draw fight that this is, in a prolonged battle that would be different.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

5) For god's sake, Hulk doesn't need to breathe. His most current incarnation discussed it, showed it and even had exposition on it. Get off it. It's not debateable. Hulk doesn't need to breathe: http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4947/vacuum9ll.jpg

Before you jump on someone's case make sure you read the full debate, this wasn't talking about the current version of the Hulk that only recently adapted to the vacuum of space but when cosmic Spider-Man knocked him into space and some fan boy said that he could have breathed in space, which he could not. So before making an A$$ of yourself, please read the full story.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I am going to tackle this debate full on. It's just more fun than some of the other threads I was thinking of posting in. So anyway, first off Superman takes it 6/10 at least. Hulk fans may not like me, but Supes has taken on great odds and fantastic opponents to dispel the idea that "Hulk Smash Puny Superman." But this puts me at odds with a great percentage of KMC'ers. 4/10 wins for Hulk? How could I possibly justify that? So my debate will mainly be those who place "Superman 10/10 easy-breezy." Although, I'll also be willing to debate against rabid "Hulk pwnorz 15/10!" supporters also. So let's begin with some general points I want to make:

I’m glad that FINALLY somebody intelligent and able to hold up his end of a conversation in a thread is making a claim for the Hulk in this match. It’s a nice change of pace from the monotonous idiots yelling “HULK SMASH!!!” every time when they’re asked to justify a possible reason for the Hulk to win. Of course, I do not agree with you, and I thusly, I have to refute your points that you brought up.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
1) For god's sake, those of you who put Superman 10/10, don't underestimate Hulk.

I for one am not underestimating the Hulk. I understand his capabilities, and know that a victory against Superman in Hulk’s case is simply not possible. As per forum rules, the contenders fight to their FULL potential in matches. What exactly does this mean, you might ask yourself? Well, it simply means that Hulk would not be landing one blow, and would thusly get his ass kicked from here to the sun.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Supes kills Hulk in 1 millisecond? Gimme a break. Hulk's out of his class? Jeez. Have you ever read a Hulk comic in your life guys?

What everybody needs to understand is that it would not be a back and forth brawling type of a match. If that were the case, this fight would be a lot more even. However, that is not the case. Superman is using his speed along with his other powers to beat the Hulk senseless. That shouldn’t take very long at all.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He constantly faces down Superman level beings and threats all the time.

And yet, mid tier characters, and even street level characters give him trouble a lot of the times as well. 😬

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hyperion

A watered down version of Superman, really. This guy was taken down by Blink with some sand. He also couldn’t even destroy that small asteroid that was heading for earth iirc. Not to mention, any time Hulk faces foes of this caliber, it’s always a slugfest. None of the other characters are using their power sets to full potential. You’ve got to understand that high level strength and durability cannot possibly stand up to an extremely versatile character such as Superman, if they’re fighting in top form.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thor

Okay, I’m not going to deny this whatsoever. However, whenever these two meet, it’s simply a battle of strength. Thor is too proud to use anything exotic with Mjolnir against Hulk. He wants to beat Hulk the old fashioned way. However, using Mjolnir as something more than an appendage for decoration, Thor would anally rape Hulk 10/10. God blast, anti-matter blast, soul sucking, teleporting, blah blah blah…

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Surfer

Every single time these two have met in battle, it has been a straight up fist fight. AND, each time Hulk has failed to even so much as faze Norrin in their fights. So, again this has no bearing on this match up, considering:

A) Fights with Silver Surfer have been slugfests, when Norrin could simply rearrange Hulk’s molecules into a completely different substance.
B) Superman is a better and stronger fighter than SS.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Juggernaut

And… ? How is this supposed to impress anybody here? They’re basically the same character except Juggernaut is a little weaker, and Hulk is less durable.

Juggernaut lacks the versatility to do anything OTHER than have a punching match with Hulk.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Gladiator

1) Gladiator wasn’t fighting the best he possibly could. Hulk fighting people like this have to be watered down an EXTREMELY large amount because otherwise, Hulk couldn’t compete.
2) Gladiator is a jobber, through and through. It’s encoded in his DNA.
3) Gladiator was being weakened from the radiation from the power plant they were fighting by.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He is no simple pushover. So for goodness sake, if you don't know Hulk, or simply don't like Hulk, then read this thread over a bit and then come back. I agree with one of Darkcrawler's posts, it is one of the best respect threads here at KMC:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/354306_1-hulk-respect-thread

I acknowledge what Hulk’s capabilities are. Frankly, they’re lacking when it comes to people like Superman. He’s too one dimensional to put up a decent fight, outside of a slugfest.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
2) Strength is always Hulk's deciding factor in his matches, much as Superman's strength is his own. Go read the Hulk respect thread and watch him overcome ridiculous obstacles with nothing but strength. He uses his strength in many odd and abstract ways sometimes against abstract forces, opponents and situations. So strength not being the deciding factor shows an unparalleled ignorance of what Hulk has done with strength and strength alone. Superman has better arguments than laughable dismissives like, "Strength alone can't win against Supes. So if that's all Hulk's got, than pwnage!"

Suffice to say, strength is definitely not the deciding factor in this fight. Far from it, actually. Superman has similar feats of strength, I’d ask YOU to visit the Superman respect thread for what I’m talking about. Turning the endless wheels of Mageddon, supporting the Spectre’s weight, etc.

So for anybody to say that Hulk would completely out muscle Superman in a test of strength is severely mistaken.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
3) Even if we ignore what Hulk can do with strength alone and put that on the side, I see a god awful amount of people placing complete faith in Superman's speed alone in allowing Superman 10/10.

Here are a few instances:

http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanfightingathighsgf8.jpg
http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanspeedblitztinghl1.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanspeedblitzing2fw2.jpg
http://img278.imageshack.us/my.php?image=708yd.png
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/679/08222005124311pm3un.jpg

And it’s not just the simple fact that Superman would overwhelm the Hulk with his speed, it’s the fact that Hulk couldn’t do anything to Superman at all. He wouldn’t even be able to get one hit in.

Superman could use his super reflexes to avoid every single blow from the Hulk.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg

Or he could simply vibrate his molecules to the point of being intangible. Tell me something, what exactly could the Hulk do to something that is immaterial?

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg

Or Superman could turn invisible.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Supermangoininvisible.jpg

So Hulk would be faced with MANY MANY punches per second…. Punches that have sent flippin’ LOBO into orbit.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4643/supeslobo0uo.jpg

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
4)Superman's got lots of powers. I see that. Hulk has been shown to take those kind of powers on before. And for some of the more ignorant, he's taken on powers more varied than Superman's a lot. Heat vision is a common example touted by Superman 10/10 supporters. But I'll let you guys flesh out Superman's varied powers in an argument before tackling them. Again, reinforcing an earlier point: don't underestimate Hulk. And even if you do, or you don't and still think Hulk gets pwned, make the argument to me how heat-vision vaporizes Hulk before making conclusory statements about it. Hulk's shrugged off 1,000,000 degree supernovas from Human Torch with no physical damage apparent.

Hulk has NEVER faced this type of power set at full efficiency before. EVER.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And about T-Vo?

Yeah, I’m not even gonna argue T-Vo because quite simply, HE DOESN’T NEED IT.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
5) For god's sake, Hulk doesn't need to breathe.

A completely moot point. 😬

my god why dont you idiots look at hulks respect thread whether you believe it or not supes isn't beating hulk in a second he never has and never will. Hulk isn't going down that easy no matter what you think. Hulks no grundy or mongul. When has supes ever beat his opponets in a second 10/10 thats a little much this is hulk not the thing.