Originally posted by Legacy 59Great basically you're saying Hulk is never stronger than Superman because he can't fly. The problem is how is Hulk supposed to push/pull planets when he actually needs to stand on them?
The problem is he has never shown anything on that level and until he does in a comic, he will be considered below Supes in strength.Hulks biggest feat is holding together tectonic plates. While impressive it is nowhere near Supes Maggeddon feat.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Hyperboleee
How is it hyperbole when a wish was made to amp them to those levels? How are we suppose to know that they are 1000s of time more powerful without the writer indicating it in the story? What we do know is that a normal Wendigo before receiving this amp attacked Hulk and got one shotted...then thats when the amp took place.
Isn't even Savage Hulk often shown stronger than Herc/Thor? In that recent Hercules vs Hulk story, Herc was dominating Hulk with skill, even grounding and pounding him, but Hulk managed to throw a mounted Herc in the air simply by flexing his muscles.. Given how impressed Herc was, that implies some serious strength. And in the same story, Hulk one shotted Ares.
I don't have a problem with Hulk being stronger than Superman or Thor.
Originally posted by Mindset
Hulk's casual footsteps almost destroy the Earth.Supes uses all his strength and gets koed by a imitation moon.
Pitiful.
Hulk's footsteps almost destroy a small town area. Not even a city.
Even if Hulk could destroy the Earth with a blow it is still weaksause compared to mageddon and Earth moving.
Originally posted by Mindset
Small town...city? I don't think you can read.Gears are used to reduce the amount of force used to operate an object. Pitiful.
Needed help from a woman. Pitiful.
Kinda true and kinda false. Moving the gears from the gears doesn't really grant leverage; but moving the gears from the levers do. Force= Torque/(length of lever arm). The smaller the arm then the more the force one would need to apply. The gears have a much smaller lever arm than the size of mageddon as a whole. Thus it was harder and not easier. What's awesome about the feat though is even if the gears wasn't connected to anything then simply moving them is beyond planetary power.
The one with WW is the weaker one. The bigger one is with Starbreaker. Superman can be calculated to have exerted more than 50 Earth weights of force.
I just said small town because he didn't' do anything but shake the ground. Nothing was destroyed. It is only speculation if he actually could destroy the Earth (let alone a state). Superman punches shattering time and dimension with pure force is much greater to me.
Absolutely true.
Read this entire wiki page and you'll see I am completely right and the feat is pitiful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gears
Calculated by whom?
Originally posted by h1a8this begs the question: if superman almost destroyed the eastern seaboard with a footstep, would you dismiss it too?
Kinda true and kinda false. Moving the gears from the gears doesn't really grant leverage; but moving the gears from the levers do. Force= Torque/(length of lever arm). The smaller the arm then the more the force one would need to apply. The gears have a much smaller lever arm than the size of mageddon as a whole. Thus it was harder and not easier. What's awesome about the feat though is even if the gears wasn't connected to anything then simply moving them is beyond planetary power.The one with WW is the weaker one. The bigger one is with Starbreaker. Superman can be calculated to have exerted more than 50 Earth weights of force.
I just said small town because he didn't' do anything but shake the ground. Nothing was destroyed. It is only speculation if he actually could destroy the Earth (let alone a state). Superman punches shattering time and dimension with pure force is much greater to me.
i don't expect you to answer that, but with your illogical statements i have to ask
Originally posted by MindsetYou didn't understand anything about gears. I know about gears already (although you made me review the feat since it's been a long time). It's based on the principle of the lever, which is based off Work= force x distance.
Absolutely true.Read this entire wiki page and you'll see I am completely right and the feat is pitiful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gears
Calculated by whom?
Several things:
1. There are friction losses in any gear arrangement and eventually you'll end up with more torque required to turn the output gear than you apply to the input driver gear. Since this thing had an astronomical amount of gears then it had an astronomical amount of friction force associated with them.
2. Turning an input driver gear with more teeth than the output driven gear with less teeth lessens the force (not amplifies it) but increases the speed. Vice versa, from less teeth to more teeth amplifies the force (makes it easier) but reduces the speed.
3. Gears can either change the direction in which a force is applied, increase or reduce the force which is applied. Only one of these is applicable to Superman's feat.
4. The only gears that matter are the input driver gear (first gear) and the output driven gear (last one). The in-between "idler" gears, regardless of their size, do not alter the overall gear ratio.
Since we know that Superman was turning with an input force on the first gear (the driver) very slowly then the gear ratio couldn't have been very large. For if it was then Superman would have to turn the small driver gear an astronomical amount of revolutions just to get the large driven gear to move just a microscopic amount. Since this wasn't the case and since Superman was turning the wheel convincingly through a small portion of time then the gear ratio was very small (from less than 1, which reduces the output force and amps the speed, to only a few times bigger than 1, which amplifies the force a few times but reduces the speed several times). Also by Superman using large long chains, the driver gear had to be fairly large which means that the gear ratio again had to be small. But assuming the most illogical theory, that the gear ratio was just a few times greater than 1 and Superman was supplying just a fraction of the force (1/5 minimum) the wheel was moving with in addition to the astronomical amount of friction force (which not only forfeits any mechanical advantage but exceeds it.) then we see that Superman supplied more force than simply moving the wheels without gears.
For simple understanding of gears look at these sites:
http://www.fi.edu/time/Journey/Time/Escapements/gearbasics.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_ratio#Idler_gear
http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/103/overheads_pdf/Per7_over.pdf