Originally posted by carver9
Another question. Do you think Savage Hulk could pull some wins from Current Hulk if they were capable of fighting each other?
I see where this is going.
If Savage Hulk = OR > than Superman AND Current Hulk > Savage Hulk THEN Savage Hulk > Superman.
Isn't that what you are trying to imply? That isn't a logical way to put it. The logic to it is flawed simply because Savage Hulk cannot do the things Superman can do in a fight. Hulk doesn't have flight and he doesn't have a showing of possessing speed of light and even though his powerful legs allow him to jump, jumping doesn't allow extreme changes in direction and momentum as flight can.
Superman is not an idiot or stupid. He isn't bound to stay fighting and slugging it out like a brick. He has shown he can fight all out and use tactical combat with his plethora of powers.
Originally posted by -Pr-
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It is a feat. And apparently it is canon. It wasn't some alternate timeline, alternate reality or a What if? Onslaught not only went toe to toe with a Hulk that had no Banner to stop him from going to far the deep end he also pinned Hulk. However as Onslaught mocks Hulk, Hulk simply states the fact that the angrier he gets the stronger he becomes, flips out shouts his angry and punches Onslaught breaking his physical manifestation.
And comic wise speaking Sentry is far cheaper then Superman. He still wasn't able to defeat Hulk. Difference is I do not think Sentry can move at speed of light.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That if Savage Hulk can beat Superman in any capacity and if Current Hulk is > Savage, than therefore Current Hulk should fare better than Savage would against Superman?Yeah, I saw that coming miles away. Lol. Still, in a roundabout crazy Carver way, you're...right. sneer *shudders a bit*
Still, Superman has advantages over Hulk that Hulk is going to play hell trying to overcome. And while I, personally, feel Superman wins, he's not going to utterly crush him.
But to not think that Savage Hulk couldnt pull wins from Clark is kind of ignoring the character history and it has been basically shown and proven through fights that Current Hulk is >>> Savage Hulk.
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Originally posted by dawsey28
HA!HA!HA! Are these guys serious? LMFAO!!!
He took it out of context. Why didn't he show that it ended in a stalemate? He only showed what was convenient to show. And assuming it was pre crisis the fight still was a stalemate; neither where able to get an advantage over the other.
Originally posted by IssacFrost
It is a feat. And apparently it is canon. It wasn't some alternate timeline, alternate reality or a What if? Onslaught not only went toe to toe with a Hulk that had no Banner to stop him from going to far the deep end he also pinned Hulk. However as Onslaught mocks Hulk, Hulk simply states the fact that the angrier he gets the stronger he becomes, flips out shouts his angry and punches Onslaught breaking his physical manifestation.And comic wise speaking Sentry is far cheaper then Superman. He still wasn't able to defeat Hulk. Difference is I do not think Sentry can move at speed of light.
I know what you meant, sorry, I was just wondering what conclusion you were coming to. I mean, nobody will deny Hulk's feats...
Originally posted by carver9
But to not think that Savage Hulk couldnt pull wins from Clark is kind of ignoring the character history and it has been basically shown and proven through fights that Current Hulk is >>> Savage Hulk.
That doesn't mean anything, though. It's ABC logic, which we tend to frown upon. You know that.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I know what you meant, sorry, I was just wondering what conclusion you were coming to. I mean, nobody will deny Hulk's feats...That doesn't mean anything, though. It's ABC logic, which we tend to frown upon. You know that.
Exactly my point. Superman isn't Savage Hulk. Just because Current Hulk can, possibly, defeat Savage Hulk doesn't automatically mean he will win over Superman.
It does however come to my attention and realization that Current Hulk is a monster compared to Savage Hulk.
But Superman has shown near invulnerability and when that fails, resistance and durability that befits Superman.
Some claim Doomsday is a ripoff of Hulk. Assuming it is let us remember both died in that battle. Later on as shown by other posters Supeman confronts Doomsday and blitz him with "teleport" like speed. Granted that Doomsday was... Well weaker. But it shows Superman isn't some brick. He will put his "teleport" like speed and flight to good use. And the whole argument about using speed and losing power... That's moronic. Even if it's comic physics a punch from Superman is not going to lose power just because he uses speed.
On the other hand Sentry who seemingly has the power of "one million exploding suns." who has shown to travel to the sun in less then 8 minutes, whereas someone pointed out that it takes light 8 minutes to travel to the Sun, fought World War Hulk and the battle went on for days. One could say Hulk "won" that fight, but Sentry evidently was afraid of unleashing his full power as he commented on it. And if what Spiderman recalls is true: Sentry fighting Gladius and stalemating him, then Sentry is, in my opinion, among the higher tiers of powerful beings. The serum supposedly was a thousand times more powerful then the one used on Captain America. Yet he was unable to quickly or easily put Hulk down.
Superman doesn't need to hold back. Neither is Hulk. So in my opinion this fight will last long and either can win or possibly they will stalemate. The latter seems more likely if we consider that Sentry is a cheap Superman ripoff and Doomsday is a cheap ripoff Hulk. In both cases the fight ended with the main protagonist (Superman, Hulk) "winning".
Originally posted by dawsey28
HA!HA!HA! Are these guys serious? LMFAO!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLjdjVhZPEk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN0o_7CqlwE
Current Hulk seems to be able to turn into the Worldbreaker at will though.
He doesn't have many feats in this mode but his few are impressive, strength-wise his mere foot steps sink continents, killed a heavily amped Arm'Chedon (who was Silver Surfer level before the amp) in 3-4 blows and easily overpowered Skaar with 1 arm who was amped to 100 trillion tons.
Durability - Took a 100 trillion ton punch in the chest with no damage, took Arm'Chedons cosmic blast with no damage (this same blast took out both Merged Hulk and Silver Surfer) and again walked through an amped version of the same blast with no effect.
Healing Factor - His healing factor is already hugely impressive and would be only be improved in this mode, he healed instantaneously when Skaar sliced through his arm.
After WWH Pak stated Superman would not have stood a chance against him at this level and he even has energy projection as the WB. Clark has a big speed advantage but he could in no way replicate these feats at his normal levels so serious question how can Superman actually win?
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Current Hulk seems to be able to turn into the Worldbreaker at will though.He doesn't have many feats in this mode but his few are impressive, strength-wise his mere foot steps sink continents, killed a heavily amped Arm'Chedon (who was Silver Surfer level before the amp) in 3-4 blows and easily overpowered Skaar with 1 arm who was amped to 100 trillion tons.
Durability - Took a 100 trillion ton punch in the chest with no damage, took Arm'Chedons cosmic blast with no damage (this same blast took out both Merged Hulk and Silver Surfer) and again walked through an amped version of the same blast with no effect.
Healing Factor - His healing factor is already hugely impressive and would be only be improved in this mode, he healed instantaneously when Skaar sliced through his arm.
After WWH Pak stated Superman would not have stood a chance against him at this level and he even has energy projection as the WB. Clark has a big speed advantage but he could in no way replicate these feats at his normal levels so serious question how can Superman actually win?
He can't win and I can see him getting the Armageddon treatment...probably worst since Armageddon was elite top tier via his fight against Surfer and Hulk and the thing about it is, he was more powerful than he was when he fought Surfer and merged Hulk.
Originally posted by psycho gundam_
you do know that after hulk was done with sentry he exhibited power that dwarfed what he needed just to battle "the superman ripoff"?
If you are referring to when he found out Miek had betrayed him and his rage made him flip out to the point his footsteps alone where destroying earth, I am aware of that. This also clearly shows what I said before: that his rage doesn't need to charge up and that his rage has no limits or bounds. He might have held back on Sentry or maybe he wasn't as enraged as he got when he found out Miek betrayed him.
Originally posted by The Sorrow_
Current Hulk seems to be able to turn into the Worldbreaker at will though._He doesn't have many feats in this mode but his few are impressive, strength-wise his mere foot steps sink continents, killed a heavily amped Arm'Chedon (who was Silver Surfer level before the amp) in 3-4 blows and easily overpowered Skaar with 1 arm who was amped to 100 trillion tons.
Durability - Took a 100 trillion ton punch in the chest with no damage, took Arm'Chedons cosmic blast with no damage (this same blast took out both Merged Hulk and Silver Surfer) and again walked through an amped version of the same blast with no effect.
Healing Factor - His healing factor is already hugely impressive and would be only be improved in this mode, he healed instantaneously when Skaar sliced through his arm.
After WWH Pak stated Superman would not have stood a chance against him at this level and he even has energy projection as the WB. Clark has a big speed advantage but he could in no way replicate these feats at his normal levels so serious question how can Superman actually win?
Are you talking about feats from his Green Scar persona?
Well the Worldbreaker is WWH just very enraged, I was throwing out some of his feats while at WB levels as some posters might not know of them and have only seen scans of him nearly sinking the eastern seaboard.
To me he just seems to be a league above Superman going by his feats, his creators intentions/statements and the fact that even at WWH levels its very arguable he could win this fight. Whenever he has made an appearance in WB mode he has ran through everyone he has faced, all who have been high heralds, throw in the fact he now seems able to focus his rage and access his Worldbreaker power at will it doesn't look good for Superman.