Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Superman also saved the Omniverse by vibrating.
Absorbed the Mageddon Warhead (the anti sun) that could destroy half the Galaxy, Moved Mageddon (he moved the engines and with it the whole thing).
held a mini-black hole in his hand
Closed an dimension rift with his hv, that would have destroyed some planets and more.
Pulled a planet back into it's orbit (hal gave him the construct like harness)
He survived being caught in a collision of new genesis and apokolips without a scratch (though shortly koed)
Took on multiple -Imperiex probes (team wreckers, high herlad-trans level, Carver online *lowballing mode on, note: leave out the context to lowball*).
Split the ocean with a scream/HV.
Destroyed two moons. Scarred another.
Fought pre-crisis Superman to a standstill, altering reality with his punches (The Multiverse was in flux, still they altered it not randomly but about their lives).
Flew through a red sun and (even though there was a lot or knite around him) beat SBP (who too was depowered but immune to knite).
Lifted "half of infinity" two times 😂.
Used his HV to heat up the entire earth (his HV was also recoded to be hotter then the sun)
Escaped the gravity of a black hole.
Moved Earth with MM and WW.
Took blasts capable of destroying Earth three times over.
Defeated Darkseid more then once, who is the embodiment of Evil. And though this were mostly Avatars, those were team wreckers and at least trans level.
Took a million nuclear blasts point blank and was only koed (this was still a weaker version then current supes).
Survived a Supernova.
Closed a rip in reality with his bare hands.
Survived an Sun-Eater Explosion...(byrne era iirc, so weaker)
Could tell flash an long story, while Flash was eating, while the earth around them was frozen in time (this is his speed).Superman always had ridiculous feats, though people tend to forget them because the lowballing is more popular over the boards and seems to count more.
I give you that, this Hulk vs Red She-Hulk clash was nice and impressive. Where is this Planet btw ? In another dimension? 😖hifty:
So Hulk at worldbreaker Levels will hit Superman a few times before Superman sees that he is dangerous (yes he will be hurt but he survived worse) and then he will go DD Rex all over Hulks ass, till he Hulk goes down. At this point the Hulk will have no chance at all. Yes one could argue that if Hulk knock superman out with the first few punches then yes Hulk might win but this would mean --> We take Hulk at his best showing iow WB level and Superman at his worst or low. But if you take Supermans best durability/getting-punished feats and put them against WB he will take those punches and still be up for the battle. And then the speed factor comes in.
I know it's tempting to fall into hysteria if someone shows a new nice epic feat, and this was an epic Hulk feat. But pit it against the epics feats of the opponent not against his average or worst. And don't use the DBZ kind of logic. If Savage Hulk destroyed an asteroid bigger then earth and he has become stronger SSJ level 4, that means he destroys now asteroids gazillion times the size of earth... dur . This logic never works (you hear me Carver 😉 )
So with this new comic out I would say. Superman wins 7-8/10.
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Oh and Superman is an Team wrecker and took out groups of Herald level chars too, and don't say this was only possible because sometimes they were mind-controlled... 'cause Wendigo and Bi-Beast are still more stupid then a mindcontrolled Major Force... 😉
Edit: And Carver just because you claim something doesn't make it a FACT, just sayin... especially not when you say it 😉.
And people say that Hulk gets a lot of hate. I think Superman is the number 1 hated char since people ignore and lowball his best and only accept his average or worst... jesus
I didn't read any of this and I'm not reading any of your other post either. The only thing I'm proud of is the fact that some of the best debators on the forum has accepted the fact that Hulk would destroy Superman in this fight. Your mind is already made up. If we use all of the nonscence that you just put in your post as any type of way of gauging a fight, Thor would wreck superman since he has consistent fts of damaging and defeating skyfathers but you don't see Rage going around here saying that Thor can beat current Hulk, he has accepted the truth and even admitted that it would take someone like Odin or Galactus to stop him.
You are clearly trolling. Despero has physically pounded Supes with just 1 lick and he doesn't have any of the fts that you are mentioning.
Go home and sit in your room and cry for a bit knowing that Hulk>>>>>Superman. If you need some tissue, PM me.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^And as Bada said. Hulk will tag Superman a few times and then it goes into the speed mode. This is how this Forum fight will go. And with the speed he has and used often enough... he wins. 🙂.
I highly doubt bada is saying we fight with a character we've never seen in comics.. I don't for a second believe that was the intent. This is why on panel proof is so important because that is the basis for everything we know about a character and how he fights. Now you're saying we can have them fight how we want them to fight, even if there is so basis for it in that thing we call ON PANEL PROOF? Don't buy it.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I highly doubt bada is saying we fight with a character we've never seen in comics.. I don't for a second believe that was the intent. This is why on panel proof is so important because that is the basis for everything we know about a character and how he fights. Now you're saying we can have them fight how we want them to fight, even if there is so basis for it in that thing we call ON PANEL PROOF? Don't buy it.
But this is the crux, there is on panel prove for Superman fighting this way after taking some hits 🙂. And you read the clarification of CIS and the example some pages ago? It was rather fair 😉.
Originally posted by carver9
I didn't read any of this and I'm not reading any of your other post either. The only thing I'm proud of is the fact that some of the best debators on the forum has accepted the fact that Hulk would destroy Superman in this fight. Your mind is already made up. If we use all of the nonscence that you just put in your post as any type of way of gauging a fight, Thor would wreck superman since he has consistent fts of damaging and defeating skyfathers but you don't see Rage going around here saying that Thor can beat current Hulk, he has accepted the truth and even admitted that it would take someone like Odin or Galactus to stop him.You are clearly trolling. Despero has physically pounded Supes with just 1 lick and he doesn't have any of the fts that you are mentioning.
Go home and sit in your room and cry for a bit knowing that Hulk>>>>>Superman. If you need some tissue, PM me.
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You don't read it because you deny it and always did. Close your eyes so you don't have to see the truth 😉. That's a no-brainer. Thor is not Superman. And you take Superman again at his low showings and compare him to Hulks best.
Carver, Hulk will one-shot Superman only in your dreams, and then ony the low version you cherry pick, not on his best 😉. But Superman who took blows from Pre-Crisis Superman and blows from SBP (who moved planets with easy at superspeed and changed the center of the Universe with his bare hands) won't be koed by one Hulk punch. And SBP is stronger then Worldbreaker 😉.
And Superman is still > Hulk. Till the relaunch of DC at least.
I don't need, nor do I want you tissues... as I'm sure they are all already "full" after you saw those scans 😂
So no thank you 😉
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
😂You don't read it because you deny it and always did. Close your eyes so you don't have to see the truth 😉. That's a no-brainer. Thor is not Superman. And you take Superman again at his low showings and compare him to Hulks best.
Carver, Hulk will one-shot Superman only in your dreams, and then ony the low version you cherry pick, not on his best 😉. But Superman who took blows from Pre-Crisis Superman and blows from SBP (who moved planets with easy at superspeed and changed the center of the Universe with his bare hands) won't be koed by one Hulk punch. And SBP is stronger then Worldbreaker 😉.
And Superman is still > Hulk. Till the relaunch of DC at least.
I don't need, nor do I want you tissues... as I'm sure they are all already "full" after you saw those scans 😂
So no thank you 😉
Going by fts of Thor damaging Galactus, punching through Galactus head, knocking Galactus the hell out, defeating an abstract that was juggling planets and absorbed gods, damaging and taking on Celestials, taking on a angry, mind controlled, pissed Odin, defeating 4 high heralds, ripping through Mangog, taking on the most powerful Celestial and punching through his head, going your route Thor>>>>>>Superman. Now using common sense, Thor and Supes are equal.
I didn't read your post because you are bringing up fts that you don't even know about and really didn't even read the comics. You always post scans without knowing the backend of what happened. Anything regarding fts and you posting them, I will ignore it until you go and pick up the comic and read what actually went on.
I don't care about your judgement involving this fight or any other fight. You are the same person that went in threads giving Superman the majority against Thanos, Odin, and zeus. I'm not debating against that.
So stop responding to my post please.
Originally posted by carver9The pot calling the kettle black carver you make my day you little elf
Going by fts of Thor damaging Galactus, punching through Galactus head, knocking Galactus the hell out, defeating an abstract that was juggling planets and absorbed gods, damaging and taking on Celestials, taking on a angry, mind controlled, pissed Odin, defeating 4 high heralds, ripping through Mangog, taking on the most powerful Celestial and punching through his head, going your route Thor>>>>>>Superman. Now using common sense, Thor and Supes are equal.I didn't read your post because you are bringing up fts that you don't even know about and really didn't even read the comics. You always post scans without knowing the backend of what happened. Anything regarding fts and you posting them, I will ignore it until you go and pick up the comic and read what actually went on.
I don't care about your judgement involving this fight or any other fight. You are the same person that went in threads giving Superman the majority against Thanos, Odin, and zeus. I'm not debating against that.
So stop responding to my post please.
Originally posted by carver9carv, you have them right where you want them.
These peeps in here are getting desperate...lol. FACT....Hulk is currently operating at low to mid skyfather...FACT...Hulk erased one being that was more powerful than Superman and erased 2 other beings that was physically more powerful than Superman as well with ease. FACT, Hulk was shrugging of punches from beings that are/were stronger than Superman with ease.FACT, Superman could literally get one shotted/killed by this version of Hulk without this Hulk breaking a sweat. FACT, this Hulk is FAR stronger than any Doomsday Superman has ever faced.
This is a none fight and all of those fts that you all are bringing up had circumstances and it pales in comparison to fts that even Savage Hulk has done.
Superboy Prime would lose this fight. Superman has recently been depowered which makes this even worse for him. It usually take an entire team of JLA members to face something like what Hulk has become (Konvikt, Shaggyman, amped Grundy, Despero, Titus) and even then, none of those people are even close to what Hulk has become. This isn't a fight anymore, its a massacre.
Hulk 10/10 and easy at that.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
But this is the crux, there is on panel prove for Superman fighting this way after taking some hits 🙂. And you read the clarification of CIS and the example some pages ago? It was rather fair 😉.
Ummm no there isn't... Please show me ANY fight where supes throws 100 earth shattering punches in less then a second.. People are claiming he can throw thousands to a million of them in less than a second.. There is NO.. NONE, ZILTCH of that... shit.. there isn't even any fight where he throws 100 punches like that. So please post ANY fight where this "turn it on" supes throws 100.. shoot give me 25 earth shattering punches in less than a second....