Superman vs. Hulk

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Originally posted by h1a8
It wasn't mentioned anywhere in the comic the D.C. Multiverse was in complete flux as to why Superman was shattering dimensions.

You are just making up theories that don't exist.

Yeah, I'm sure it had nothing to do with that.

Considering that after the fluxing DC Multiverse recombined into the New Earth and 52 and was no lnger in flux, Superman Prime (who was stronger than either Superman) was fighting them in a fist-fight and greater, much less any, dimension shattering didn't happen, it's pretty obvious that was the reason. Like I said, context helps.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, I'm sure it had nothing to do with that.

Considering that after the fluxing DC Multiverse recombined into the New Earth and 52 and was no lnger in flux, Superman Prime (who was stronger than either Superman) was fighting them in a fist-fight and greater, much less any, dimension shattering didn't happen, it's pretty obvious that was the reason. Like I said, context helps.

No its called PIS. No where the context pointed to the feat being based off anything but pure force. Context helps but not here son.

Originally posted by abhilegend
sealed a hole in reality by his heat vision. See if we go to rediculous showings hulk is still in his diapers.

Heh, that was kind of ridiculous.

It was shortly after he got his super mullet, I believe, in John Byrnes last run on the New Gods. And he sealed half the hole, Orion sealed the other half with his Astro Force.

Originally posted by carver9
Supes has never faced anything physically on this level and taken punches from it.

If you want to play with single ridiculous showings, I'll put that Hulk feat against Superman being in the middle of a collapsing Sun Eater and surviving..

Even Pre Crisis Validus thought he'd die in one of those things, the first time the Fatal Five appeared and they took on their first Sun Eater..

Originally posted by h1a8
No its called PIS. No where the context pointed to the feat being based off anything but pure force. Context helps but not here son.
So you won't even recognize the peculiar difference between two Supermen fighting in a fluxing DC Multiverse causing dimensional reverberations and three Supermen fighting in a stabilized DC Multiverse not causing any dimensional reverberations.

Awesome. Whatever, apparently it's PIS to you anyway.

Originally posted by h1a8
No its called PIS. No where the context pointed to the feat being based off anything but pure force. Context helps but not here son.
No, the only reason these things were happening was due to the events of infinite crisis. That's it.

I think the difference between the fight with Superboy prime was that they were fighting him on their earth's reality which they they wanted to protect. While when they were fighting eachother. they wanted to destroy eachothers world/ reality so that they can preserve their own reality.

Originally posted by carver9
A weaker Hulk than Current Hulk destroying dimensions during a fight.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=12952643

It did, they just don't show you a fiery explosion, but do you see a planet anywhere in that final scan?

Oh yeah if you want to go further superman rubbed his hands together and saved the omniverse.

And in Action comics 902 he stopped an entire dimensional ship when superboy, supergirl and steel couldn't even slow down it and he took shots from a nearly omnipotent Lex who stopped entropy on universal scale unscathed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And in Action comics 902 he stopped an entire dimensional ship when superboy, supergirl and steel couldn't even slow down it and he took shots from a nearly omnipotent Lex who stopped entropy on universal scale unscathed.
That was moving light speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
No its called PIS. No where the context pointed to the feat being based off anything but pure force. Context helps but not here son.
Ah, good ol' h1, always good for a laugh

Originally posted by abhilegend
And in Action comics 902 he stopped an entire dimensional ship when superboy, supergirl and steel couldn't even slow down it and he took shots from a nearly omnipotent Lex who stopped entropy on universal scale unscathed.
Context.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And in Action comics 902 he stopped an entire dimensional ship when superboy, supergirl and steel couldn't even slow down it and he took shots from a nearly omnipotent Lex who stopped entropy on universal scale unscathed.
lex was already depowered

These peeps in here are getting desperate...lol. FACT....Hulk is currently operating at low to mid skyfather...FACT...Hulk erased one being that was more powerful than Superman and erased 2 other beings that was physically more powerful than Superman as well with ease. FACT, Hulk was shrugging of punches from beings that are/were stronger than Superman with ease.

FACT, Superman could literally get one shotted/killed by this version of Hulk without this Hulk breaking a sweat. FACT, this Hulk is FAR stronger than any Doomsday Superman has ever faced.

This is a none fight and all of those fts that you all are bringing up had circumstances and it pales in comparison to fts that even Savage Hulk has done.

Superboy Prime would lose this fight. Superman has recently been depowered which makes this even worse for him. It usually take an entire team of JLA members to face something like what Hulk has become (Konvikt, Shaggyman, amped Grundy, Despero, Titus) and even then, none of those people are even close to what Hulk has become. This isn't a fight anymore, its a massacre.

Hulk 10/10 and easy at that.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
How much was he amped Carver? Give me a guestimate multiplier. Please.

What is not registering here... HE WAS AMPED AS STATED ON PANEL... HE EVEN SHOWED NEW ABILITIES BECAUSE OF SAID AMP. PERIOD End of discussion. It doesn't matter how much or x2 or x5.. he was amped and thus the feat in invalid.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What is not registering here... HE WAS AMPED AS STATED ON PANEL... HE EVEN SHOWED NEW ABILITIES BECAUSE OF SAID AMP. PERIOD End of discussion. It doesn't matter how much or x2 or x5.. he was amped and thus the feat in invalid.

Right on point.

Superman also saved the Omniverse by vibrating.
Absorbed the Mageddon Warhead (the anti sun) that could destroy half the Galaxy, Moved Mageddon (he moved the engines and with it the whole thing).
held a mini-black hole in his hand
Closed an dimension rift with his hv, that would have destroyed some planets and more.
Pulled a planet back into it's orbit (hal gave him the construct like harness)
He survived being caught in a collision of new genesis and apokolips without a scratch (though shortly koed)
Took on multiple -Imperiex probes (team wreckers, high herlad-trans level, Carver online *lowballing mode on, note: leave out the context to lowball*).
Split the ocean with a scream/HV.
Destroyed two moons. Scarred another.
Fought pre-crisis Superman to a standstill, altering reality with his punches (The Multiverse was in flux, still they altered it not randomly but about their lives).
Flew through a red sun and (even though there was a lot or knite around him) beat SBP (who too was depowered but immune to knite).
Lifted "half of infinity" two times 😂.
Used his HV to heat up the entire earth (his HV was also recoded to be hotter then the sun)
Escaped the gravity of a black hole.
Moved Earth with MM and WW.
Took blasts capable of destroying Earth three times over.
Defeated Darkseid more then once, who is the embodiment of Evil. And though this were mostly Avatars, those were team wreckers and at least trans level.
Took a million nuclear blasts point blank and was only koed (this was still a weaker version then current supes).
Survived a Supernova.
Closed a rip in reality with his bare hands.
Survived an Sun-Eater Explosion...(byrne era iirc, so weaker)
Could tell flash an long story, while Flash was eating, while the earth around them was frozen in time (this is his speed).

Superman always had ridiculous feats, though people tend to forget them because the lowballing is more popular over the boards and seems to count more.

I give you that, this Hulk vs Red She-Hulk clash was nice and impressive. Where is this Planet btw ? In another dimension? 😖hifty:

So Hulk at worldbreaker Levels will hit Superman a few times before Superman sees that he is dangerous (yes he will be hurt but he survived worse) and then he will go DD Rex all over Hulks ass, till he Hulk goes down. At this point the Hulk will have no chance at all. Yes one could argue that if Hulk knock superman out with the first few punches then yes Hulk might win but this would mean --> We take Hulk at his best showing iow WB level and Superman at his worst or low. But if you take Supermans best durability/getting-punished feats and put them against WB he will take those punches and still be up for the battle. And then the speed factor comes in.

I know it's tempting to fall into hysteria if someone shows a new nice epic feat, and this was an epic Hulk feat. But pit it against the epics feats of the opponent not against his average or worst. And don't use the DBZ kind of logic. If Savage Hulk destroyed an asteroid bigger then earth and he has become stronger SSJ level 4, that means he destroys now asteroids gazillion times the size of earth... dur . This logic never works (you hear me Carver 😉 )

So with this new comic out I would say. Superman wins 7-8/10.

🙂

Oh and Superman is an Team wrecker and took out groups of Herald level chars too, and don't say this was only possible because sometimes they were mind-controlled... 'cause Wendigo and Bi-Beast are still more stupid then a mindcontrolled Major Force... 😉

Edit: And Carver just because you claim something doesn't make it a FACT, just sayin... especially not when you say it 😉.

And people say that Hulk gets a lot of hate. I think Superman is the number 1 hated char since people ignore and lowball his best and only accept his average or worst... jesus

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Who cares. They can easily do so.

That's the counterpoint.

Superman does not even have to give up his moral code or go 'all out' to be untouchable by Hulk, so its not even a case of saying the speed blitz tactics would have to negate their personalities or what not.

We know Superman turns it on when he has to. We know he still does not want to kill.

Arguing in character will only result in Hulk holding back on his initial punches, Superman taking them, and when they begin to get harder Superman will deduce Hulk's true threat level, turn on the speed, and simply WIN without getting touched from there on, ultimately KO'ing him but not killing him.

Superman not giving a f*ck ends it without getting touched once however. Banner won't even know he's in a fight. He'll just see a bright white light getting closer to him. 😎

Even when he does "turn it on" he still doesn't display this untouchable I'm going to punch you 1,000,000 times in less then a second with earth shattering punches... NOTHING about how you want superman to fight even when he turns it on supports this. Even when he's said to turn it on.. he just fights a little faster and punches a little harder... he still doesn't fight to the degree you're wanting him to. When writers don't have superman fight like that.. he SIMPLY doesn't fight like that.. Period. That is the character we call superman... if you wanna make up a new character and call hiim h1a8... then submit your idea to DC.. until then we go by the character we've seen in comics.

^And as Bada said. Hulk will tag Superman a few times and then it goes into the speed mode. This is how this Forum fight will go. And with the speed he has and used often enough... he wins. 🙂.