Superman vs. Hulk

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Hulk can't touch Superman unless Superman allows it. Period. No amount of "Hulk has hit speedsters before" will change the fact that Hulk has no super-speed, and will be unable to hit freakin SUPERMAN. Does Hulk have super-fast reflexes? Sure. He's been shown to react quickly to normal things/enemies, and the occasional lucky shot against a speedster (the Quicksilver incident comes to mind, and if anyone believes that to be evidence for Hulk's super-speed, then you don't realize just how dumb it is for even QUICKSILVER to get hit by the damn Hulk).

Hulk does have super speed, but its just very slow in comparison to Superman. I disagree though that Hulk could never hit Quicksilver.. With Thunderclaps and other shockwave type blasts he should be able to do it at some point, especially considering quicksilver cant fly.

Originally posted by Offendor
What I find strange about these kind of superfights is that strenght apparently make some fighters defy gravity for some reason... I always found that a bit strange.

If Hulk hits Superman with his best uppercut, he should fly out in space, but he can counter that with flying back. Superman can throw objects heavier then Hulk out in space, so if he does a super uppercut on the Hulk, he too should fly out in space since the Hulk doesn't have any gravity superpower, right? Once out in space Hulk should not be able to do much to control in what direction he floats, so Superman could then direct him towards the sun or maybe a black hole. I would count that as a win.

If he hits Hulk by surprise then yes. If Hulk's ready then probably not, because he can take the hit, being considerably stronger.

But I do agree Supes could eventually BFR Hulk into space, but probably not that easily.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
[B]If he hits Hulk by surprise then yes. If Hulk's ready then probably not, because he can take the hit, being considerably stronger.

I mean, the only power that push stuff down towards the ground is gravity. To make something fly up in the air, all you got to do is inflict an upward force that is stronger then gravity push downwards. It doesn't matter if the punched object is a truck or The Hulk. The effect would be the same. If The Hulk cannot change his weight or manipulate gravity somehow, there is really no physical way to avoid flying away from the ground when that upward force inflicts him.

The "Take the hit" effect in comics defies common sense.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I just plain don't understand the line of reasoning here.

Hulk can't touch Superman unless Superman allows it. Period. No amount of "Hulk has hit speedsters before" will change the fact that Hulk has no super-speed, and will be unable to hit freakin SUPERMAN. Does Hulk have super-fast reflexes? Sure. He's been shown to react quickly to normal things/enemies, and the occasional lucky shot against a speedster (the Quicksilver incident comes to mind, and if anyone believes that to be evidence for Hulk's super-speed, then you don't realize just how dumb it is for even QUICKSILVER to get hit by the damn Hulk).

So. To reiterate: Hulk cannot hit Superman UNLESS Superman allows himself to get hit.

Personally, I can't stand Superman. He's too damn powerful, and just a boring character. But to say that he loses to the Hulk is just false.

Supes could LITERALLY pull of Hulk's arms before Hulk realized they were missing.

Whether that's an indictment on Superman's effectiveness at using his combat superspeed or evidence that Superman has a propensity for fighting toe-to-toe is up to you, I guess.

Superman have superspeed, but does he have a superfast reactiontime to? He doesn't act like he does.

Originally posted by Offendor
Superman have superspeed, but does he have a superfast reactiontime to? He doesn't act like he does.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you serious? The guy can move in the fractions of nanoseconds, see lightning in slow motion and had matched senses with flash's to had a whole conversation while other people were statues.

Originally posted by Offendor
Ok. Yeah, I guess it would be kind of impractical to be able to move so fast without having the reactiontime to go with it lol. It is kind of weird that he let himself get hit by slower opponents. Maybe he got a thing for showing others that he is invulnerable or something.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm inclined to disagree here. For the simple reason that this Superman who never gets punched by slower opponents because he won't permit them shows up in comics like... 5 out of 100 times.

Whether that's an indictment on Superman's effectiveness at using his combat superspeed or evidence that Superman has a propensity for fighting toe-to-toe is up to you, I guess.

Prepare yourself for a "Every time Superman's ever been hit before in a comic is PIS" rebuttal.

Originally posted by Offendor
Its the "take the hit" logic in series that I find strange. 🙂

I mean, the only power that push stuff down towards the ground is gravity. To make something fly up in the air, all you got to do is inflict an upward force that is stronger then gravity push downwards. It doesn't matter if the punched object is a truck or The Hulk. The effect would be the same. If The Hulk cannot change his weight or manipulate gravity somehow, there is really no physical way to avoid flying away from the ground when that upward force inflicts him.

The "Take the hit" effect in comics defies common sense.

I dunno.. Was just playing football, if I didnt brace for an impact im easily pushed by another guy.. But when Im ready Im a lot harder to push out of the way. Not that anyone's supposed to be pushing 😉

I was thinking the same thing. Superman does not exhibit the Goku reaction speed in most of his fights. Basically it is about styles of the fight and skill. By paper, Superman should take this. By pictures, tough call. Depends if Superman doesn't have morals, I can see him winning.

Originally posted by Offendor
Superman have superspeed, but does he have a superfast reactiontime to? He doesn't act like he does.

Originally posted by lilshogun
Superman does not exhibit the Goku reaction speed in most of his fights.

you just opened a whole can of worms lol

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Prepare yourself for a "Every time Superman's ever been hit before in a comic is PIS" rebuttal.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Hulk does have super speed, but its just very slow in comparison to Superman. I disagree though that Hulk could never hit Quicksilver.. With Thunderclaps and other shockwave type blasts he should be able to do it at some point, especially considering quicksilver cant fly.

Quicksilver doesn't need to fly. He can outrun any shockwave Hulk could produce. All he'd have to do is outrun the wave until it was no longer harmful, then return to the fight. Just saying.

And Superman makes Quicksilver look like a bolted-down statue in terms of speed.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm inclined to disagree here. For the simple reason that this Superman who never gets punched by slower opponents because he won't permit them shows up in comics like... 5 out of 100 times.

Whether that's an indictment on Superman's effectiveness at using his combat superspeed or evidence that Superman has a propensity for fighting toe-to-toe is up to you, I guess.

Pretty much and people thinking outside of this is basically ingoring "everything".

Originally posted by lilshogun
I was thinking the same thing. Superman does not exhibit the Goku reaction speed in most of his fights. Basically it is about styles of the fight and skill. By paper, Superman should take this. By pictures, tough call. Depends if Superman doesn't have morals, I can see him winning.

He sure the hell doesn't display anything resembling Goku level reaction speed...he is fast hut saying that people like Gladiator, Wonder Woman, and Superman us untouchable is half retarded. Too much onpanel showings going against this.

Supermans faster than Goku on average

dbz....no, please no

Superman 7/10

Superman only loses to Hulk if he lets his cis hamper him too much and tries to trade blows with Hulk.

I have a theory about the Superman reactiontime. When we humans are in accidents our brains sometimes can trigger some kind of slowmo mode, where we fall in slowmotion and have alot of time to plan how to land and such. I have experienced this myself when I fell with a bicycle. Its a very cool thing!

My point is that this is nothing we can trigger willingly. If I could, I would trigger slowmo mode every time a sexy babe with bouncing boobs run past me or entered some sexy position. 😉 Unfortunately, thats not possible...

Maybe Supermans reactiontime work the same way! His brain does not trigger his superreaction until his own body experience the limits of his own insane speedpotential. That would explain why he can get struck by slower opponents.

About The Hulk and superspeed. Jumping several miles or striking opponents so they fly extremely far actually requires superspeed, because raw strenght cannot propell anything very far. He needs to move his legs extremely fast downwards to jump extremely far. And his hands needs to clash together with an insane speed to get the powerfull effect his handclap have. So the Hulk does have superspeed, but he doesn't show any signs of having an above normal reactiontime at any time.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I dunno.. Was just playing football, if I didnt brace for an impact im easily pushed by another guy.. But when Im ready Im a lot harder to push out of the way. Not that anyone's supposed to be pushing 😉