Originally posted by OffendorHeavier objects sure. Objects as powerful as Hulk who are fightning tooth and nail, not so much. Again, feats of Superman BFRing someone in Hulk's class would be good.
I don't think that is a good argument. Since he is able to do it with heavier objects then the Hulk, there is no reason he wouldn't be able to do it with Hulk, more then PIS to keep the story more interesting of course.
Originally posted by quanchi112I'm stating true truths. All cases where the Hulk doesn't go flying off the planet from simular punches is very ridiculous and PIS to keep the story more interesting. Ignoring gravity is ridiculous.
I don't have to Thor has insane strength but when he punches the Hulk he doesn't always go flying off the planet. You need to argue based on what happens in the comics not just creating false truths in order to make a case.
Originally posted by Offendor
I'm stating true truths. All cases where the Hulk doesn't go flying off the planet from simular punches is very ridiculous and PIS to keep the story more interesting. Ignoring gravity is ridiculous.
Maybe because Hulk is stacked with muscles that gives him the ability to lift Trillions of tons at his weakest state. His body is strong enough to take this punch and come back with one. That's like asking "why doesn't Hulk fly off when Spiderman punch him". His body is durable enough to prevent this just like Superman body is durable enough to prevent someone far weaker than him punching him out of orbit or even someone in his weight class.
Originally posted by BadabingAnd exactly how does someones musclepower have any relevance when we are talking about an upward force? Flexing your muscles and counter gravity to not fly away is just as ridiculous as flexing your muscles to counter gravity and stop falling in midair.
Heavier objects sure. Objects as powerful as Hulk who are fightning tooth and nail, not so much. Again, feats of Superman BFRing someone in Hulk's class would be good.
For me to accept this, I would have to accept another ability on Hulk. Gravity manipulation. Since he officially doesn't have such a skill, I don't accept it.
If you look at Hulk's history, you'd know he started as quite a chum. Due to his popularity and being one of Marvel's most easily recognizable character he has had immense "upgrades" where he beats people he has no business fighting in the first place. Marvel needed a counter to DC's popular powerhouses. Of course Marvel had herald-level characters too, but they were nowhere near as popular/recognizable to the public back then - Everyone knew who the Hulk was though. His character is as strong as the plot needs him to be, and regularly pulls some BS out from his ass (EVERYONE jobs to him). One of the lamest characters to debate against really. If you look at Hulk in all other forms of media, e.g TV, Animated Films and Hollywood, you'll see the genuine level for which Hulk is portrayed. Likewise do the same for Superman and you'll notice a large power gap.
Superman is stronger, infinitely faster, more skilled. Thor's other powers gives him so many ways of beating him its not even funny. Only thing Hulk has over the others is his healing factor. When Hulk says he is the strongest there is, he is actually referring to his PIS factor.
If you want to debate what would happen in a comic book where Hulk is obviously favored and PIS runs rampant, this probably isn't the place for it.
Originally posted by carver9Yes it is. That is just as ridiculous. At least if we are talking about a force directed upwards, which would make gravity the only thing the hitting character would have to beat to make him lift from the ground.
That's like asking "why doesn't Hulk fly off when Spiderman punch him".
Originally posted by PlacidityYou are so right about that. 🙂 I'm glad someone agrees with me.
If you look at Hulk's history, you'd know he started as quite a chum. Due to his popularity and being one of Marvel's most easily recognizable character he has had immense "upgrades" where he beats people he has no business fighting in the first place. Marvel needed a counter to DC's popular powerhouses. Of course Marvel had herald-level characters too, but they were nowhere near as popular/recognizable to the public back then - Everyone knew who the Hulk was though. His character is as strong as the plot needs him to be, and regularly pulls some BS out from his ass (EVERYONE jobs to him). One of the lamest characters to debate against really. If you look at Hulk in all other forms of media, e.g TV, Animated Films and Hollywood, you'll see the genuine level for which Hulk is portrayed. Likewise do the same for Superman and you'll notice a large power gap.Superman is stronger, infinitely faster, more skilled. Thor's other powers gives him so many ways of beating him its not even funny. Only thing Hulk has over the others is his healing factor. When Hulk says he is the strongest there is, he is actually referring to his PIS factor.
Originally posted by Placidity
If you look at Hulk's history, you'd know he started as quite a chum. Due to his popularity and being one of Marvel's most easily recognizable character he has had immense "upgrades" where he beats people he has no business fighting in the first place. Marvel needed a counter to DC's popular powerhouses. Of course Marvel had herald-level characters too, but they were nowhere near as popular/recognizable to the public back then - Everyone knew who the Hulk was though. His character is as strong as the plot needs him to be, and regularly pulls some BS out from his ass (EVERYONE jobs to him). One of the lamest characters to debate against really. If you look at Hulk in all other forms of media, e.g TV, Animated Films and Hollywood, you'll see the genuine level for which Hulk is portrayed. Likewise do the same for Superman and you'll notice a large power gap.Superman is stronger, infinitely faster, more skilled. Thor's other powers gives him so many ways of beating him its not even funny. Only thing Hulk has over the others is his healing factor. When Hulk says he is the strongest there is, he is actually referring to his PIS factor.
If you want to debate what would happen in a comic book where Hulk is obviously favored and PIS runs rampant, this probably isn't the place for it.
When you show me Superman melting Heralds just by punching at another force, holla at me when it comes to strength. When you show me Superman melting beings that was in the vicinity of his fight from the shockwaves that was being generated...the same beings that was running through Classic Strange and Dormammu and Hulk killed them with just the back lash from his punch...let me know.
A weaker Hulk punches was generating enough shockwaves that Heralds was truggling to walk through it and Metas was sent flying.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5554/onslaught1c7fw.jpg
Everyone out there was in fear of the Hulks power (read the scan) and there were Heralds and some of the most powerful villians on the planet watching the fight. This is a weaker incarnation of the Hulk...not comparable to WWH or WBH.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3563/onslaught1d0lm.jpg
Don't try to spread your hate of the character on everyone else. Accept what he has done and move on. Accept that he physically walked through a blast that was ripping time space...a blast that had enough power to push planets (weaker Hulk than WWH Hulk).
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/61f38505b9
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/2057a235f0
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/e255e809cd
Or shaking dimensions while battling.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=12952643
I can go on for days. Once you accept these things...you would probably stop.being so hurt on how powerful the character is. Until then, if you need a shoulder to cry on...I'm here buddy.
Originally posted by carver9
I can go on for days. Once you accept these things...you would probably stop.being so hurt on how powerful the character is. Until then, if you need a shoulder to cry on...I'm here buddy.
Lol how does posting feats address what I said at all? Oh right, it doesn't.
So you think if we play the feat game, Hulk would come out on top? lol.
Originally posted by carver9Doomsday have an adapt skill I don't fully understand the limits off. Maybe it can make him insanely heavy right at the impact of when he is being punched? If that is not the case, then yes it would go for Doomsday as well.
You and placidity are some haters. So everything you are saying about Hulk goes for Doomsday as well right?
Originally posted by Placidity
Lol how does posting feats address what I said at all? Oh right, it doesn't.So you think if we play the feat game, Hulk would come out on top? lol.
If you can show me anything similar to this happening from Superman...something even CLOSE to this, then yes, I will admit, Superman is physically stronger than Hulk. Remember, Hulk didn't even touch the planet when this happened.
Show me those scans. Or you could show me something similar to Hulk taking a footstep almost splitting a continent in half. Show me that as well.
Originally posted by Offendor
Doomsday have an adapt skill I don't fully understand the limits off. Maybe it can make him insanely heavy right at the impact of when he is being punched? If that is not the case, then yes it would go for Doomsday as well.
Gotcha...so you think Superman got killed by a weakling?
Originally posted by carver9
When you show me Superman melting Heralds just by punching at another force, holla at me when it comes to strength. When you show me Superman melting beings that was in the vicinity of his fight from the shockwaves that was being generated...the same beings that was running through Classic Strange and Dormammu and Hulk killed them with just the back lash from his punch...let me know.A weaker Hulk punches was generating enough shockwaves that Heralds was truggling to walk through it and Metas was sent flying.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5554/onslaught1c7fw.jpg
Everyone out there was in fear of the Hulks power (read the scan) and there were Heralds and some of the most powerful villians on the planet watching the fight. This is a weaker incarnation of the Hulk...not comparable to WWH or WBH.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3563/onslaught1d0lm.jpg
Don't try to spread your hate of the character on everyone else. Accept what he has done and move on. Accept that he physically walked through a blast that was ripping time space...a blast that had enough power to push planets (weaker Hulk than WWH Hulk).
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/61f38505b9
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/2057a235f0
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/e255e809cdOr shaking dimensions while battling.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=12952643
I can go on for days. Once you accept these things...you would probably stop.being so hurt on how powerful the character is. Until then, if you need a shoulder to cry on...I'm here buddy.
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Originally posted by Badabing
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I want to come back to this. So apparently even some Hulk fans (not incl. Carver obviously) agree this could be a reasonable depiction (I don't but lets pretend)?
I have to ask though, why does Superman move so slowly even though he is moving at a speed too fast for Hulk? He is capable of being FAR faster - so fast Hulk wouldn't even registered what happened. If he is going to use superspeed why does he use less than 1% of his capabilities?
Also, Superman did a short combo there, why would he stop in a debate on here? Superman certainly does not lack the stamina or speed to keep on pummeling him in the face at speed till Hulk was out cold.
Also, back to a point about Superman flying Hulk into space - if that is even needed. Some people said Superman would open himself up to attack which is utterly ridiculous. Superman can fly much faster than the speed of light. Before Hulk even knew what was going on he would be melting inside the sun.
Speed is a factor Hulk Supporters will NEVER EVER be able to argue against except by using PIS, which sadly requires one to throw logic out the window.
Originally posted by carver9You and I were debating how the freaking gravity works, and if Hulk logicly should be BFRing or not without PIS. Stop changing the subject. If someone is being hit by an uppercut, its his weight that makes him harder to BFR, not his strength. Do you not understand this argument?
Flight gives strength right and you agreed with Placidity that Hulk is a weakling (and its pretty obvious Hulk is stronger than Doomsday) but yet he cant fly which by your definition, that makes him a weakling.
