Superman vs. Hulk

Originally posted by Placidity
I want to come back to this. So apparently even some Hulk fans (not incl. Carver obviously) agree this could be a reasonable depiction (I don't but lets pretend)?

I have to ask though, why does Superman move so slowly even though he is moving at a speed too fast for Hulk? He is capable of being FAR faster - so fast Hulk wouldn't even registered what happened. If he is going to use superspeed why does he use less than 1% of his capabilities?

Also, Superman did a short combo there, why would he stop in a debate on here? Superman certainly does not lack the stamina or speed to keep on pummeling him in the face at speed till Hulk was out cold.

Also, back to a point about Superman flying Hulk into space - if that is even needed. Some people said Superman would open himself up to attack which is utterly ridiculous. Superman can fly much faster than the speed of light. Before Hulk even knew what was going on he would be melting inside the sun.

Speed is a factor Hulk Supporters will NEVER EVER be able to argue against except by using PIS, which sadly requires one to throw logic out the window.

I'm always here to help you Placidity.

You see this OMNI blast circling Hulk...it was laying waste to the state they were in. It was destroying everything. He even make it appear as an explosion.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094189/Incredible_Hulks_632_021.jpg.html

Let me guess, you want to see it used against Heralds huh. Ok, we have Armageddon here...an elite Herald...Wendigo (Savage Hulk near equal) and Bi Beast...someone that has fought Thor for a prolong amount of time and actually overpowered him twice during one fight.

A smaller OMNI had enough power to hurt these beings...enough power to knock them off of them, this isn't comparable to the blast Hulk used in my first scan.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/204/94565109.jpg/

Superman flying into this trying to bfr Hulk will only leave him open for a punch that could possibly be one of the hardest punches he felt in his life.

Originally posted by Offendor
You and I were debating [b]how the freaking gravity works, and if Hulk logicly should be BFRing or not without PIS. Stop changing the subject. If someone is being hit by an uppercut, its his weight that makes him harder to BFR, not his strength. Do you not understand this argument? [/B]

No because I believe Hulk is strong enough to prevent that from happening just like Doomsday is strong enough to prevent that from happening.

Originally posted by carver9

Superman flying into this trying to bfr Hulk will only leave him open for a punch that could possibly be one of the hardest punches he felt in his life.

Hmm. Did you forget the point about Superman being able to move so fast Hulk would not be able to register him, or is it just something you have no response to (as I already predicted)?

Let me see what you think - can Hulk see Flash if he moving at "just" 50% of his maximum speed? How many punches can Flash land on Hulk before Hulk's brain even registers that he is being hit by an invisible force? Be smart now.

Originally posted by Placidity
Hmm. Did you forget the point about Superman being able to move so fast Hulk would not be able to register him, or is it just something you have no response to (as I already predicted)?

Let me see what you think - can Hulk see Flash if he moving at "just" 50% of his maximum speed? How many punches can Flash land on Hulk before Hulk's brain even registers that he is being hit by an invisible force? Be smart now.

Shaking my head. Can you show me an example of Superman doing this while in combat please? I seen him vibrate while standing in one spot being invisible but I would like to see a combat scenerio. He would still have to get close to Hulk anyways which again would lead to him getting hit by an OMNI blast which would then lead to him being punched by melting Heralds strength.

Let's move on. Hulk killed the Mindless ones with just the shockwaves from his punch. Let's see how powerful the Mindless ones were...about to provide scans in a moment.

Originally posted by carver9
No because I believe Hulk is strong enough to prevent that from happening just like Doomsday is strong enough to prevent that from happening.

Originally posted by carver9
Shaking my head. Can you show me an example of Superman doing this while in combat please? I seen him vibrate while standing in one spot being invisible but I would like to see a combat scenerio. He would still have to get close to Hulk anyways which again would lead to him getting hit by an OMNI blast which would then lead to him being punched by melting Heralds strength.

It WAS a combat scenario.

Also, Mongul.

Originally posted by carver9
When you show me Superman melting Heralds just by punching at another force, holla at me when it comes to strength. When you show me Superman melting beings that was in the vicinity of his fight from the shockwaves that was being generated...the same beings that was running through Classic Strange and Dormammu and Hulk killed them with just the back lash from his punch...let me know.

A weaker Hulk punches was generating enough shockwaves that Heralds was truggling to walk through it and Metas was sent flying.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5554/onslaught1c7fw.jpg

Everyone out there was in fear of the Hulks power (read the scan) and there were Heralds and some of the most powerful villians on the planet watching the fight. This is a weaker incarnation of the Hulk...not comparable to WWH or WBH.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3563/onslaught1d0lm.jpg

Don't try to spread your hate of the character on everyone else. Accept what he has done and move on. Accept that he physically walked through a blast that was ripping time space...a blast that had enough power to push planets (weaker Hulk than WWH Hulk).

http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/61f38505b9
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/2057a235f0
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/e255e809cd

Or shaking dimensions while battling.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=12952643

I can go on for days. Once you accept these things...you would probably stop.being so hurt on how powerful the character is. Until then, if you need a shoulder to cry on...I'm here buddy.

Originally posted by carver9
Shaking my head. Can you show me an example of Superman doing this while in combat please? I seen him vibrate while standing in one spot being invisible but I would like to see a combat scenerio. He would still have to get close to Hulk anyways which again would lead to him getting hit by an OMNI blast which would then lead to him being punched by melting Heralds strength.

So you avoided the question by asking for scans, that is pretty telling in itself. I'm sure people with the scans will post them later (or you can just visit the respect thread). But my point doesn't depend on scans alone, it is an argument from reason and logic - one which you can never win.

So let me ask you another question to bury you further:

In a debate on this forum - Superman vs Flash, would Superman use his speed? According to you he wouldn't.

Lets say you change tact, and say he would. So if Superman is fighting Flash he would use Superspeed, but if he is fighting someone without Superspeed he wouldn't use it... hang on a second, that sounds awfully like PIS. Oh wait...

Either way, like I said again and again:

"Speed is a factor Hulk Supporters will NEVER EVER be able to argue against except by using PIS, which sadly requires one to throw logic out the window."

Edit: Prediction: There will be no attempt to address this post in any relevant fashion (i.e concession).

Dormammu and Umar themselves don't have a way of stopping the Mindless Ones so they put them behind a dimensional barrier. If this Dimensional barrier is broken...the Mindless ones will kill everything in that Dimension.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuIsAProtectorToHisPeople1.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuIsAProtectorToHisPeople2.jpg

Dormammu thinks of the Mindless ones as more of a threat than Classic Strange.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuHasHisOwnMoralCode1.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuHasHisOwnMoralCode2.jpg

Dormammu is using everything he have to try to even pause the Mindless ones.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuBattlesTheMindlessOnes.jpg

Dormammu had to create a barrier in order to defeat them.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammuImprisonsTheMindlessOnesAgain.jpg

Pushing the Mindless ones back drained the skyfather Dormammu.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammusMagicTriangle.jpg

Hulk fights these same beings and physically push them back with nothing but brute strength. He does this with one hand and a foot and was still at full power afterwards.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8319253/Incredible_Hulks_633_012-13.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8319255/Incredible_Hulks_633_014.jpg.html

This doesn't includes him outright killing the entire species during his fist fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You were destroyed by rage on that onslaught incident, so don't fall back on your lies like you always do. Superman survived the destruction of source wall, survived 52 supernovas while weakened, survived the destruction of a sun eater, survived a moon destruction without a scratch, survived a collision between two planets, sent shockwaves on earth and nearly broke earth just falling from upper atmosphere and survived the core of earth nearly powerless and broke time-space in his battle with Kal-L. Let's see you cry foul over these feats and lowball him.

I'm not even going to respond to this. Rage never corrected me on any of that, you are getting stuff mixed up. I get a headache debating against you.

Originally posted by Placidity
So you avoided the question by asking for scans, that is pretty telling in itself. I'm sure people with the scans will post them later (or you can just visit the respect thread). But my point doesn't depend on scans alone, it is an argument from reason and logic - one which you can never win.

So let me ask you another question to bury you further:

In a debate on this forum - Superman vs Flash, would Superman use his speed? According to you he wouldn't.

Lets say you change tact, and say he would. So if Superman is fighting Flash he would use Superspeed, but if he is fighting someone without Superspeed he wouldn't use it... hang on a second, that sounds awfully like PIS. Oh wait...

Either way, like I said again and again:

"Speed is a factor Hulk Supporters will NEVER EVER be able to argue against except by using PIS, which sadly requires one to throw logic out the window."

Edit: Prediction: There will be no attempt to address this post in any relevant fashion (i.e concession).

A serious Flash, no, Superman wouldn't even get the chance to use his speed. During Zoom and Flash fight, Superman was a statue when they were battling around the planet.

That's the answer to your question.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves here. Hulk wouldn't even register a young Smallville Clark. As you like to say, when you have a response to this, call me. and maybe we'll let Hulk play with the adults.

YouTube video

Originally posted by carver9
A serious Flash, no, Superman wouldn't even get the chance to use his speed. During Zoom and Flash fight, Superman was a statue when they were battling around the planet.

That's the answer to your question.

No it isn't; what you just said is a cop out deflection, tbh.

Originally posted by Placidity
Lets not get ahead of ourselves here. Hulk wouldn't even register a young Smallville Clark. As you like to say, when you have a response to this, call me. and maybe we'll let Hulk play with the adults.

YouTube video

Lol...so you are resorting to tv shows?

Originally posted by carver9
A serious Flash, no, Superman wouldn't even get the chance to use his speed. During Zoom and Flash fight, Superman was a statue when they were battling around the planet.

That's the answer to your question.

No thats you trying to be deceptive with your answer. Superman not being fast ENOUGH, doesn't mean he WOULDN'T use it which was the question.

Lets reword the question to eliminate your dishonest tactics:

In a debate on this forum - Superman vs Flash, and Flash were to limit his top speed to that of Superman's, would Superman use his speed?

Originally posted by -Pr-
No it isn't; what you just said is a cop out deflection, tbh.

No it isn't what?

Originally posted by carver9
No it isn't what?

The answer.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...so you are resorting to tv shows?

Actually it is a visual depiction of superspeed in effect. It makes it easily for people (carver excepted obviously) to understand how large a role speed will play especially when we enter the realm of speed that Superman possesses. Again, you have no response to it.

Originally posted by Placidity
No thats you trying to be deceptive with your answer. Superman not being fast ENOUGH, doesn't mean he WOULDN'T use it which was the question.

Lets reword the question to eliminate your dishonest tactics:

In a debate on this forum - Superman vs Flash, and Flash were to limit his top speed to that of Superman's, would Superman use his speed?

It depends on of you can show me scans of Superman fighting at super speed consistently. I think Superman would use his speed against Hulk but flying around like a blur the entire match...Naah, I can't see it happening.