Originally posted by ODGSorry, I'm quoting you because I'm addressing you, but we've built up some fairly massive text over the last couple of posts, so I removed it and we'll continue from here, though I'm afraid there isn't much farther to go and we don't seem to be very much in disagreement here. I'm just enjoying the back and forth with someone knowledgeable and reasonable, which is a good change-up from the norm.
We've already established that we both think more often than not, it will come to fisticuffs, but you seemed concerned on why the debate would hinge or turn drastically into all the other stuff Superman 'could' do, and other 'powers he brings to the fight', since the onset of your joining the thread a couple pages ago.
Hulk over this last stretch, for probably the first time in a very long time, has accumulated enough feats in and out of combat successively to finally be considered in Superman's strength bracket again. Some might wank a couple of Hulks, some might wank a couple of Superman's...
But any reasonable man willing to look objectively at the two characters in terms of standing toe-to-toe fisticuffs fight is going to realize it's the unstoppable force and the immovable object.
A split; now perhaps one person would tip the needle a bit one way, and some would tip it another based entirely off of who's feat they felt was impressive that month, but the result is fairly similar anyways.
From this point, any supporting supporter of either character is going to eventually get called out, " Why do you believe 'so-and-so' would win?"
We'll start with, he knocked out this guy, he lifted that object, he fought this team really well, etc.
After that is done, one side [in this case, Superman's supporters in the thread], will ultimate look for other options, because the lifting/striking/dominant performances aren't getting too far.
These 'other options', will often begin with "the path of least resistance', e.g; things like battlefield removal, and eventually other showings will come to light.
And who can blame them?
It's not that they're dominating the conversation because they're Superman's ONLY options at winning, they're merely being explored because they're Superman's OTHER avenues to victory when "My guy punches harder", "No my guy punches harder" wasn't getting anywhere.
Because when push comes to shove, Superman is the one with the capacity to add other considerations to the fight, and he'll he'd also likely be the one to think of something first between the two based on his history of using his closed-powerset to the fullest.
Originally posted by Villelater
didn't say he can't but doesn't mean he will...it most likely won't happen...by that time Hulk would of hit him back onto the surfice...meaning Superman will get surprized attacked again...this time from out of the ground...
Why? Because that's the way you want it to be?
isn't that what we have doing this whole arguement...at least i reversed Supermans BFR...do you realize how many times Hulk defenders have done this? im one of the rare few...you guys don't realize a dirt fight insures more hits for the Hulk...and he is launching the earth splitting attack under supes feet...if a carpet is pulled under your feet you trip...heck i haven't even talked about the Thunder-clap Hulk can do to strike more hits...or a sonic roar that can destroy tanks if his hands are in a grapple...im not saying its a one-sided match for either character...it won't end quickly...neither Character likes to give up...see it for the epic match that it is...
Originally posted by Villelater
isn't that what we have doing this whole arguement...at least i reversed Supermans BFR...do you realize how many times Hulk defenders have done this? im one of the rare few...you guys don't realize a dirt fight insures more hits for the Hulk...and he is launching the earth splitting attack under supes feet...if a carpet is pulled under your feet you trip...heck i haven't even talked about the Thunder-clap Hulk can do to strike more hits...or a sonic roar that can destroy tanks if his hands are in a grapple...im not saying its a one-sided match for either character...it won't end quickly...neither Character likes to give up...see it for the epic match that it is...
Nobody is doubting that it will be an epic match. I really don't think it's for the reasons you think it is, though.
and what reason do you think such? you know i try my best because i am trying to bring new cards on the table...you ignored Hulk being able to hit Superman with a rock...which he should be able too...you ignored Hulk leaping beyond above Super-sonic speed vast distances...you ignored Hulks amazing reflexes...you ignored Hulks hidden Cunning...and you will continue ignoring all these things just because Superman is faster...its insulting, it makes this fight boring...this happens in almost all important arguements agaisnt Marvel characters..
Originally posted by Villelater
and what reason do you think such? you know i try my best because i am trying to bring new cards on the table...you ignored Hulk being able to hit Superman with a rock...which he should be able too...you ignored Hulk leaping beyond above Super-sonic speed vast distances...you ignored Hulks amazing reflexes...you ignored Hulks hidden Cunning...and you will continue ignoring all these things just because Superman is faster...its insulting, it makes this fight boring...this happens in almost all important arguements agaisnt Marvel characters..
I'm not ignoring anything.
Superman is, in actuality, faster, MUCH faster, in fact, than Hulk.
You want to argue who's stronger? We can do that. Want to argue who would in? We can do that too. You can even argue that Hulk would win, and you could make a case.
You don't get to argue that he'd win, though, by creating unrealistic scenarios that aren't likely to happen.
And no, it doesn't happen to all arguments against Marvel Characters. In fact, for a time this board had a lot more Marvel fans than DC ones, and is only recently starting to seem more balanced.
Originally posted by Villelater
PR man listen to yourself...Superman isn't 2 of these things
1.a super-computer
2.invincible
he is smart but not like that or he would know exactly what to do agaisnt everyone he fights...
1. Like DS said, yes he is. He has senses that can see in any spectrum, hear sounds around the world with crystal clarity, and can read hundreds of books a second. He can see lightning moving in slow motion, because his brain really does process things that quickly.
2. I never said he was invincible. I've said otherwise at least 3 times.
As a preview:
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He's not just a dumb farmer hick, you know. He's a pretty good investigative reporter, second to Lois at one of THE major newspapers in the world, knows science and tech far in excess of comic book Earth (which itself is already far in excess of real world tech) and can calculate and think far in excess of any computer.
Originally posted by -Pr-It's still not balanced, unless perhaps we only consider the upper end of the debater spectrum, other than that, the general population still favors drastically towards Marvel.
And no, it doesn't happen to all arguments against Marvel Characters. In fact, for a time this board had a lot more Marvel fans than DC ones, and is only recently starting to seem more balanced.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankRead some posts from the people with less notoriety and less posts, that if you're like most, you probably skip over because you don't care to debate with them.
How do you figure?
Also, you can look into things like over in the "High herald" thread vote count, where, with 5 powerful DC characters, and 5 powerful Marvel ones, Thor and Silver Surfer last night individually had more votes than all of DC's characters combined, and Nova with nearly as many as Superman[ who was the lead character for DC.] And that's just a quick example.
It's evened out a little more recently because some people want to know where a lot of "New 52" characters[new and old] stand, but typically you've always been able to look at the threads themselves, and the amount of Marvel characters pretty much always outnumbers the DC ones[who are pretty much always populated by the same people, as half of them involve Superman.], where a Marvel team, or a name count as +1 for either company, Marvel on any given day will hold anywhere from a 20-50 count lead in terms of characters/teams names being labeled/used on threads. The first time I did this about a year ago, and mentioned it in a thread if I can find, it was something like 80 to 17. And most of the 17, involved Superman solo or as part of a team. So it's gotten better, but it's still far from even.
