Scarlet Witch (current) vs. Phoenix Force Jean

Started by GalacticStorm26 pages

Originally posted by demigawd
Again, there's a big difference between fixing a crystal (which, by the way, Gambit did as well during the AOA, lol) and defeating a sentient being who fights back. There's no comparison, really.

Also, I don't agree that M'Kraan was a reality eraser on a greater scale - its effects were never shown to leave the universe, while we've seen Wanda's power clearly destroy multiple realities.

No Gambit never fixed the crystal he helped fix the timeline which meant Xavier was around to help Jean reach her potential as Phoenix which meant that she fixed the crystal. Ok?

Here you have it, the M'kraan crystal wave is very much a multiversal effect:

Originally posted by demigawd
The fact that Wanda caused the destruction she did without even using her outright power is to her CREDIT, it shows she's barely scratching the surface, and shows that if she were so inclined, she could very consciously collapse reality. Just like the three year old could bust a hole in the wall intentionally if so inclined.

You seem to be confused son lol. Wanda was using her power outright by warping the 616 reality in the first place. However her amateur tamperings caused a chaos wave to be unleashed. This wave isnt Wandas power its a result of her botch job so you comparing Wanda to the crystal is ridiculous and pointless.

Its like being employed as a cleaner at a nuclear plant and accidentally knocking one of the reactor switches during a clean up.

Originally posted by demigawd
Erase = collapse. Besides, it was shown that Jean erases reality. It never mentioned "all realities", as was the case with Wanda, who goes beyond just realities....it was reaching the White Hot Room, which you yourself said exists outside of reality.

Erase doesnt equal collapse in this circumstance. Roma says this wave unleahed as a result of Wandas tamperings would cause reality to collapse into a single formless blob. The M'kraan effect causes " a severance between "the gravimetric lines of forces that bind matter together" reality is actually erased everything "ceases to exist" not collapsed in on itself. Hence the "blinks" the effect causes.

According to Roma Wanda only warped reality on Earth, she NEVER warped the entire 616 reality. (If you need a scan just ask lol) Its just that it was such a botch job that it caused a breach. The chaos wave is a result of her tamperings it is not Wandas power. Therefore Wanda hasnt displayed anything beyond what a cube being can do. She just did such a terrible job with her reality warping that she nearly f*cked up Marvel lol.

Originally posted by demigawd
Sorry, I'm afraid Wanda still has her topped.

Son.

Many have tried but none have succeeded.

Son 😱

Um no GS your arguments really don't cut the mustard and you haven't really answered Demi's points 🙂 you have gone off at a tengent and picked the Gambit point out 🙂 tsk, tsk can you say Kabbalah.

especially wheres Phoenix now?

🙂

Nope 🙂

Demi's beaten you admit it like a man🙂

Keep the faith 🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

Oh you do IT right - do you know how to resize pics?
I can help if you want 🙂

So there you have it. Wanda warped reality on a global scale. Thats cube being level. You're right Demi she could consciously collapse reality but only through igniting a chain reaction as she has unintentionally in house of m. Thats completely different to erasing existence before making creation anew and all through outright power as shown in X-men adventures 12 on panel.

When it states on panel that she warped the entire 616 reality (as opposed to actually stating just marvel earth), when it states that she's capable of collapsing the multiverse through outright power (as opposed to setting off a chain reaction) then you'll have a point.

My ***** is called the "ultimate mutation" for a reason. Wanda is just another pretender who falls way short of the mark.

Actually guys if you read Uncanny X-Men (Yes, I know. It's difficult to gather courage to pick up such a bile of...) We see the Phoenix transporting Rachel and Betsy from the White Hot Room to the shattered remains of 616.

Thus implying that the Phoenix is playing puppeteer with her daughter.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So there you have it. Wanda warped reality on a global scale. Thats cube being level. You're right Demi she could consciously collapse reality but only through igniting a chain reaction as she has unintentionally in house of m. Thats completely different to erasing existence before making creation anew and all through outright power as shown in X-men adventures 12 on panel.

When it states on panel that she warped the entire 616 reality (as opposed to actually stating just marvel earth), when it states that she's capable of collapsing the multiverse through outright power (as opposed to setting off a chain reaction) then you'll have a point.

My ***** is called the "ultimate mutation" for a reason. Wanda is just another pretender who falls way short of the mark.

In your interpretation - Why hasn't she stopped Wanda?

Because she can't

Demi owned you - admit it 🙂

Keep the faith 🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Um no GS your arguments really don't cut the mustard and you haven't really answered Demi's points 🙂

especially wheres Phoenix now?

🙂

Nope 🙂

Demi's beaten you admit it like a man🙂

Keep the faith 🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

Oh you do IT right - do you know how to resize pics?
I can help if you want 🙂

By showng that Wanda merely warped reality on earth as stated by Roma, by clarifying that setting of a chain reaction is different to accomplishing the same feat through outright power ive answered all relevant queries. 🙂

Where was LT? Obviously wasnt important enough so he let Roma deal with it. 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
By showng that Wanda merely warped reality on earth as stated by Roma, by clarifying that setting of a chain reaction is different to accomplishing the same feat through outright power ive answered all relevant queries. 🙂

Where was LT? Obviously wasnt important enough so he let Roma deal with it. 😱

really GS you haven't 🙂

You've been owned🙂 by Demi

now about resizing pics 🙂

Keep the faith🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

The spanking of the *****, I mean witch...😈

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
really GS you haven't 🙂

You've been owned🙂 by Demi

now about resizing pics 🙂

Keep the faith🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

After the embarasment i put you through its understandable that you would like to get you're own back by riling me. Im not a child and your clumsy efforts are laughable. 😮

Originally posted by long pig
The spanking of the *****, I mean witch...😈

whats that from LP?

got to admit Strange is a lot more impressive than Xornetto 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
After the embarasment i put you through its understandable that you would like to get you're own back by riling me. Im not a child and your clumsy efforts are laughable. 😮

jgg

Omega point

Kabbalah etc etc right..........

Keep the faith 🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

Avengers 503.

Strange hadda show her who was boss hog when it comes to magick. Too bad the Avengers didn't listen to him.

Originally posted by long pig
The spanking of the *****, I mean witch...😈

Thank you LP.

Issue 460 of Uncanny confirms that Wandas reality alteration was restricted to earth. Her amateur tamperings caused a rip in reality setting off a choas wave which is what house of M is about. Id place Wandas power at cube being level as a result of that.

She has done nothing on panel to suggest shes more powerful than Franklin who could create pocket universes. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thank you LP.

Issue 460 of Uncanny confirms that Wandas reality alteration was restricted to earth. Her amateur tamperings caused a rip in reality setting off a choas wave which is what house of M is about. Id place Wandas power at cube being level as a result of that.

She has done nothing on panel to suggest shes more powerful than Franklin who could create pocket universes. 🙂


Or maybe, Strange>Phoenix! 😈

Originally posted by long pig
Avengers 503.

Strange hadda show her who was boss hog when it comes to magick. Too bad the Avengers didn't listen to him.

Cool she seems to have gone a bit beyond that no though LP 🙂

Originally posted by long pig
Or maybe, Strange>Phoenix! 😈

Well he did take out Galactus something Phoenix hasn't ever done conclusively LP 🙂

GS - Xmen 460 doesn't really show that 🙂

The affects of Wanda are obvious and will be very lasting 🙂 can you say retconn 🙂

nice use of decent sized pics LP

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt

GS - Xmen 460 doesn't really show that 🙂

The affects of Wanda are obvious and will be very lasting 🙂 can you asy retconn 🙂

Well considering Roma says the reality warp was global id say indeed it does [B ✅ /B]

Sorry mate you tried really hard this time 🙁

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well considering Roma says the reality warp was global id say indeed it does [B ✅ /B]

Sorry mate you tried really hard this time 🙁

not at all idea and execution are different🙂

Wanda "has" altered the omniverse🙂

Keep the faith 🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

tried hard 😂 count the number of words I posted to yours overall 😂 and you still have proved nothing.

Wheres Jean? 😂

Demi owned you accept it 🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
not at all idea and execution are different🙂

Wanda "has" altered the omniverse🙂

Keep the faith 🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

tried hard 😂 count the number of words I posted to yours overall 😂 and you still have proved nothing.

Wheres Jean? 😂

Demi owned you accept it 🙂

Wanda has indirectly altered the multiverse as a result of her botch job on altering earths reality. It wasnt her power that did so she just set off a chain reaction.

Jean not being there was a side point. The actual main point of the argument was Wandas on panel feat and just how impressive they have been in comparison. No tangent in my answers im afraid. You just seem to have lost the chain of thought somewhere down the line. 😮 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Wanda has indirectly altered the multiverse as a result of her botch job on altering earths reality. It wasnt her power that did so she just set off a chain reaction.

Jean not being there was a side point. The actual main point of the argument was Wandas on panel feat and just how impressive they have been in comparison. No tangent in my answers im afraid. You just seem to have lost the chain of thought somewhere down the line. 😮 🙂

don't make it personal GS as an observer my opinion is Demi owned you - accept it

my opinion is his arguments were better thought out and you failed to answer them - its cool......

Keep the faith 🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘