Scarlet Witch (current) vs. Phoenix Force Jean

Started by GalacticStorm26 pages

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
don't make it personal GS as an observer my opinion is Demi owned you - accept it

Keep the faith 🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

Thats cool. The fact that LP posted pics of Wanda getting punked by Strange suggests he disagrees with what you're saying.

I was merely making an observation myself. The point of this thread was on panel feats. You seem to have confused yourself down the line. No biggie.

As ive focused on the main point of this thread and successfully dealt with all related queries i beg to differ.🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats cool. The fact that LP posted pics of Wanda getting punked by Strange suggests he disagrees with what you're saying.

I was merely making an observation myself. The point of this thread was on panel feats. You seem to have confused yourself down the line. No biggie.

As ive focused on the main point of this thread and successfully dealt with all related queries i beg to differ.🙂

no he suggeted Strange could also beat Phoenix 🙂 selective tsk tsk

Wanda's power is greater in house of M (you really haven't addressed that at all)🙂 can you say Xornetto to punked 🙂 I can ✅

Its only my opinion you got owned🙂

Why worry🙂

Keep the faith 🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
no he suggeted Strange could also beat Phoenix 🙂 selective tsk tsk

Wanda's power is greater in house of M (you really haven't addressed that at all)🙂 can you say Xornetto to punked 🙂 I can ✅

Its only my opinion you got owned

Why worry

Keep the faith

Stay Whirly

Only your opinion and thats cool, this is a forum after all 😉

Considering ive sucessfully dealt with the main point of the thread then all i can say is i beg to differ 🙂

Phoenix = better feats

As proven by the one and only GS 😱 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Here you have it, the M'kraan crystal wave is very much a multiversal effect:

I never said it wasn't multiversal. But that still doesn't mean Phoenix could stop ANY reality altering. She was able to repair the M'Kraan Crystal, which closed the door between realities, as Japh said. That's not nearly the same or as impressive as fixing reality of her own power, which she didn't do. It's similar to someone telling you to close the door to your house or a burgular will come in and kill you. You closing the door isn't the same as killing the burgular, even though you foiled the burgular by preventing him from coming in. It doesn't say anything about your power to stop the burgular, just about your power to grab a knob and push it shut. It just so happened that Phoenix had the set of keys to lock the Crystal. She gets no credit for doing her job. Sorry!


You seem to be confused son lol. Wanda was using her power outright by warping the 616 reality in the first place. However her amateur tamperings caused a chaos wave to be unleashed. This wave isnt Wandas power its a result of her botch job so you comparing Wanda to the crystal is ridiculous and pointless.

You're missing the point m'boy - Wanda's tampering unleashed a chaos wave that CIRCUMVENTED the M'Kraan Crystal. While Phoenix closed up the door to protected reality, Wanda was the burgular who came through the window and JACKED Phoenix's house. And there isn't a thing Phoenix did about it.

The bigger point here is that Wanda casually unleashed a wave that will destroy creation. Wanda isn't a broken crystal...ain't no stoppin it. Unlike the M'Kraan Crystal, which is simply an object, Wanda doesn't have to create a leak that slowly works its way up the spiral of creation. If she wanted to, she could unleash chaos waves that instantly undo everything....including the White Hot Room. The only reason it hasn't happened is because she has a very specific task in mind.

So I concede. It IS ridiculous and pointless to compare the two - Wanda is so far beyond the Crystal it's ridiculous. 😉


Its like being employed as a cleaner at a nuclear plant and accidentally knocking one of the reactor switches during a clean up.

Sure, if that reactor switch was on your arm and you could flip it at any time and nobody can do anything about it (least of all Phoenix). It makes you one bad ass janitor.


Erase doesnt equal collapse in this circumstance. Roma says this wave unleahed as a result of Wandas tamperings would cause reality to collapse into a single formless blob. The M'kraan effect causes " a severance between "the gravimetric lines of forces that bind matter together" reality is actually erased everything "ceases to exist" not collapsed in on itself. Hence the "blinks" the effect causes.

So there are TWO different ways Phoenix can get owned?!?? Sweet!


According to Roma Wanda only warped reality on Earth, she NEVER warped the entire 616 reality. (If you need a scan just ask lol) Its just that it was such a botch job that it caused a breach.

No, according to Roma it WAS the entire 616 reality. That's why Ronan and other intergalactic beings were taking part in the thing. In the Thunderbolts, Magneto forged a relationship with the Shi'ar and the Kree and actually helped to bring some peace between the two when he joined up with them to fight, I believe, Galactus. So clearly it wasn't confined to Earth. Ronan and Genis made an appearance to confirm this.


The chaos wave is a result of her tamperings it is not Wandas power. Therefore Wanda hasnt displayed anything beyond what a cube being can do. She just did such a terrible job with her reality warping that she nearly f*cked up Marvel lol.

Something she could do at any time she wants if she chose to, which is the point that still stands at the end of your essays. And that would be it. The end of everything...including Phoenix.


Many have tried but none have succeeded.

Son 😱

Uh huh.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Only your opinion and thats cool, this is a forum after all 😉

Considering ive sucessfully dealt with the main point of the thread then all i can say is i beg to differ 🙂

Phoenix = better feats

As proven by the one and only GS 😱 😉

in your opinion you have dealt with the main point, not in mine or I suspect Demi's as his brilliant rebuttal above shows 🙂

yes you have proven once again you are unique 😆

Yes my opinion is you were owned 🙂 its cool

Keep the faith 🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So there you have it. Wanda warped reality on a global scale. Thats cube being level. You're right Demi she could consciously collapse reality but only through igniting a chain reaction as she has unintentionally in house of m. Thats completely different to erasing existence before making creation anew and all through outright power as shown in X-men adventures 12 on panel.

When it states on panel that she warped the entire 616 reality (as opposed to actually stating just marvel earth), when it states that she's capable of collapsing the multiverse through outright power (as opposed to setting off a chain reaction) then you'll have a point.

My ***** is called the "ultimate mutation" for a reason. Wanda is just another pretender who falls way short of the mark.

I have no reason to believe Wanda couldn't outright unmake everything if she wanted to just by setting off multiple chaos waves, or just entering the Spiral of Creation, which even Braddock did (and he's crazy). It doesn't say what steps Phoenix does or doesn't go through to unmake everything, and furthermore, it doesn't say anything about ALL realities that Phoenix unmakes.

Originally posted by demigawd
I never said it wasn't multiversal. But that still doesn't mean Phoenix could stop ANY reality altering. She was able to repair the M'Kraan Crystal, which closed the door between realities, as Japh said. That's not nearly the same or as impressive as fixing reality of her own power, which she didn't do. It's similar to someone telling you to close the door to your house or a burgular will come in and kill you. You closing the door isn't the same as killing the burgular, even though you foiled the burgular by preventing him from coming in. It doesn't say anything about your power to stop the burgular, just about your power to grab a knob and push it shut. It just so happened that Phoenix had the set of keys to lock the Crystal. She gets no credit for doing her job. Sorry!

You're missing the point m'boy - Wanda's tampering unleashed a chaos wave that CIRCUMVENTED the M'Kraan Crystal. While Phoenix closed up the door to protected reality, Wanda was the burgular who came through the window and JACKED Phoenix's house. And there isn't a thing Phoenix did about it.

The bigger point here is that Wanda casually unleashed a wave that will destroy creation. Wanda isn't a broken crystal...ain't no stoppin it. Unlike the M'Kraan Crystal, which is simply an object, Wanda doesn't have to create a leak that slowly works its way up the spiral of creation. If she wanted to, she could unleash chaos waves that instantly undo everything....including the White Hot Room. The only reason it hasn't happened is because she has a very specific task in mind.

So I concede. It IS ridiculous and pointless to compare the two - Wanda is so far beyond the Crystal it's ridiculous. 😉

Sure, if that reactor switch was on your arm and you could flip it at any time and nobody can do anything about it (least of all Phoenix). It makes you one bad ass janitor.

So there are TWO different ways Phoenix can get owned?!?? Sweet!

No, according to Roma it WAS the entire 616 reality. That's why Ronan and other intergalactic beings were taking part in the thing. In the Thunderbolts, Magneto forged a relationship with the Shi'ar and the Kree and actually helped to bring some peace between the two when he joined up with them to fight, I believe, Galactus. So clearly it wasn't confined to Earth. Ronan and Genis made an appearance to confirm this.

Something she could do at any time she wants if she chose to, which is the point that still stands at the end of your essays. And that would be it. The end of everything...including Phoenix.

Uh huh.

Awesome post 🍺

As I say GS you were owned🙂

Originally posted by long pig
The spanking of the *****, I mean witch...😈

Strange didn't beat her, she got her to stop by showing her the truth about what she was doing. If he was such a bad ass, he would have marched into Wanda's room and undid her. In fact, none of this would have happened because Strange would have been able to do something. Strange just got her to stop....nothing more.

Wanda undid Strange, turned him into a therapist, lol. It was her own subconscious that gave the heroes back their memories at all.

Compare:

"Let the Eye show you the truth and calm you down"

to:

"You are no longer Sorcerer Supreme. You are a $60 per hour shrink to celebrities"

Case closed.

That proves right there that Wanda > IG. And I already proved that she's beyond the Phoenix, who was never shown to have altered all realities, much less how. Wanda did all of that as a side effect, for gods sake. She did a Phoenix throughout the multiverse IN HER SLEEP.

Wow....Phoenix should just quit her job. Or stick with fighting intergalactic sentient bacteria like Sublime. That's what she's good at.

Originally posted by demigawd
Strange didn't beat her, she got her to stop by showing her the truth about what she was doing. If he was such a bad ass, he would have marched into Wanda's room and undid her. In fact, none of this would have happened because Strange would have been able to do something. Strange just got her to stop....nothing more.

Wanda undid Strange, turned him into a therapist, lol. It was her own subconscious that gave the heroes back their memories at all.

Compare:

"Let the Eye show you the truth and calm you down"

to:

"You are no longer Sorcerer Supreme. You are a $60 per hour shrink to celebrities"

Case closed.

That proves right there that Wanda > IG. And I already proved that she's beyond the Phoenix, who was never shown to have altered all realities, much less how. Wanda did all of that as a side effect, for gods sake. She did a Phoenix throughout the multiverse IN HER SLEEP.

Wow....Phoenix should just quit her job. Or stick with fighting intergalactic sentient bacteria like Sublime. That's what she's good at.

another awesome post although LP was only kidding - the point is adressed concisely and to the point - GS take note🙂

He'd have easily stopped her if the Avengers didn't hide it from him. 🙁 maybe...

And, 60 an hour is damn good money!

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
don't make it personal GS as an observer my opinion is Demi owned you - accept it

my opinion is his arguments were better thought out and you failed to answer them - its cool......

Keep the faith 🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

Problem is you are the furthest thing from objective here, as you showed a few posts ago from this quote.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Awesome post 🍺

As I say GS you were owned🙂

Are you here to do anything other than harass GS?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Problem is you are the furthest thing from objective here, as you showed a few posts ago from this quote.

talking of impartial heres Creshosk to muddy the waters 😂

debate the point please 🙂

rebutt Demi for your master if you can 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
Are you here to do anything other than harass GS?

Yes I'm watching him being sliced and diced 🙂

rebutt Demi for you master if you can 🙂

Keep the faith 🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

This whole thread is punishment for GS! He laughed at me for losing Magneto Prime, so I'm taking it out on Phoenix by beating her up! I'd advise against anybody standing in my way if they know what's good for them!

Originally posted by demigawd
I have no reason to believe Wanda couldn't outright unmake everything if she wanted to just by setting off multiple chaos waves, or just entering the Spiral of Creation, which even Braddock did (and he's crazy). It doesn't say what steps Phoenix does or doesn't go through to unmake everything, and furthermore, it doesn't say anything about ALL realities that Phoenix unmakes.

Wandas biggest feat on panel is warping the reality of 616 earth. Thats cube being level.

There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest she is beyond that. So you can say that you believe this or that but in a debate thats irrelevant with no on panel backing.

Even Legion set off a similar chaos wave by tampering with the M'kraan crystal. With both occassions neither of the mutants altered the multiverse directly as a result of outright power it was an unintended after effect resultant from amateur tamperings from both of them.

The fact that it was unintended doesnt make it any more impressive because the chaos wave isnt her power, it doesnt derive from her directly.

If Wanda consciously wanted to end creation then of course she probably could but it wouldnt be through outright power but merely through rupturing a dimensional barrier, sparking off something that would do it for her. Thats the difference.

Well its stated that Phoenix consumes reality in "fire and flame", which suggests she does it outright plus the fact that she creates creation outright makes it entirely feasible.

Either way warping 616 earth compared to creating and destroying the multiverse cyclically and holding 616 in her hand, amputating a future and restructuring it telekinetically.

Shes got Wanda beat. 😱

Originally posted by demigawd
This whole thread is punishment for GS! He laughed at me for losing Magneto Prime, so I'm taking it out on Phoenix by beating her up! I'd advise against anybody standing in my way if they know what's good for them!

🙂
agreed I feel the oncoming storm that is Demi 🙂

dude she wouldn't win against PF. Have you noticed that not even big G has been in the whole HOM. THats cause if he came the drama would be over. He'd just blast her ass off to Oblivion. You even haven't seen anything that shows that shes affected anything besides MEarth. I don't like Phoenix you can ask GS the many times that we've argued over how powerful Jean realy is but I know that she is at least Big G to IG level.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
debate the point please 🙂
Why should I have to if you're not?

All you're doing is attacking GS.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Wandas biggest feat on panel is warping the reality of 616 earth. Thats cube being level.

There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest she is beyond that. So you can say that you believe this or that but in a debate thats irrelevant with no on panel backing.

Even Legion set off a similar chaos wave by tampering with the M'kraan crystal. With both occassions neither of the mutants altered the multiverse directly as a result of outright power it was an unintended after effect resultant from amateur tamperings from both of them.

The fact that it was unintended doesnt make it any more impressive because the chaos wave isnt her power, it doesnt derive from her directly.

If Wanda consciously wanted to end creation then of course she probably could but it wouldnt be through outright power but merely through rupturing a dimensional barrier, sparking off something that would do it for her. Thats the difference.

Well its stated that Phoenix consumes reality in "fire and flame", which suggests she does it outright plus the fact that she creates creation outright makes it entirely feasible.

Either way warping 616 earth compared to creating and destroying the multiverse cyclically and holding 616 in her hand, amputating a future and restructuring it telekinetically.

Shes got Wanda beat. 😱

again a rebuttal based on supposition not shown acts 😂

Still owned imo