Nataku vs. Khellendros

Started by Khellendros6 pages

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Has anyone voted in this match yet? Only a day left...

Four people counting Esteemed Leader.

I'll go ahead and vote Nataku.

Although Khell's movement is greater, his firepower/damage soak is no where near that of Nat's.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Quoted from EsteemedLeader in the discussion thread after a brief explanation...

"So, Grailnighter's chi blasts and shield should be allowed, but changing it's course or making energy spikes on his shield should not."

...if there's still any confusion, hopefully this clears it up. Thanks EL

Just wanted to make sure it made it to this page...

Anyway, good to know we have some votes. SF and Esteemed are the only ones I saw.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Quoted from EsteemedLeader in the discussion thread after a brief explanation...

"So, Grailnighter's chi blasts and shield should be allowed, but changing it's course or making energy spikes on his shield should not."

...if there's still any confusion, hopefully this clears it up. Thanks EL


So, Esteemed Leader is making the rules now?

Originally posted by long pig
Although Khell's movement is greater, his firepower/damage soak is no where near that of Nat's.

How do you figure that? I have full body armor that is right at the limit for tourney, a force field that is the same, all layered over Midnighter who has enhanced durability as well. His Pred armor doesn't cover his whole body, and that kevlar isn't going to stand up to the punishment I can dish out.

Originally posted by Khellendros
So, Esteemed Leader is making the rules now?

No, but he summarized the debate nicely and put it in terms that beared repeating. My no TK ruling earlier kinda said this, but didn't spell it out too clearly.

And Chi is perfectly acceptable. There's been a bunch of talk about it as possible magic-or-science, but it's entirely allowed.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
No, but he summarized the debate nicely and put it in terms that beared repeating. My no TK ruling earlier kinda said this, but didn't spell it out too clearly.

And Chi is perfectly acceptable. There's been a bunch of talk about it as possible magic-or-science, but it's entirely allowed.


So then everything I've done here has been within the rules? Cause that's not what EL said.

Confused now...So, Remotely forming spikes out of the shield and altering their trajectories = not allowed. Pretty much everything else = allowed (unless it's dealt with in the character notes). That would include the chi blasts. KVD has a chi-guy too (Ryu) and he was fine too.

Wow, it's nice to know that I have even a little influence.😊

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
Wow, it's nice to know that I have even a little influence.😊

Hehe...yes and no. You just put the ruling into practical and clear terms. Thanks though. I'll stop posting in here now. We've taken up the majority of a page, and it should be for battle and votes.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hehe...yes and no. You just put the ruling into practical and clear terms. Thanks though. I'll stop posting in here now. We've taken up the majority of a page, and it should be for battle and votes.

Little is still better than none.

I have more posts in here than anyone else...

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Confused now...So, Remotely forming spikes out of the shield and altering their trajectories = not allowed. Pretty much everything else = allowed (unless it's dealt with in the character notes). That would include the chi blasts. KVD has a chi-guy too (Ryu) and he was fine too.

I never said anything about altering their trajectories, because they stay attached to the shield he'ss urrounded himself with. I was talking about altering the trajectory of a chi blast before I've fully fired it off.

Here. The shield spikes:

See, they never leave the shield. My point is that Grail could form them on any surface of the shield, not just on the bottom, turning it into an offensive as well as defensive option. Basically, he gets close, suddenly he's skewered on spikes growing out of my shield.

Now, the redirection. He said he could redirect my blasts. I amde two counters: one, the blasts are too large to be fully blocked by the thin lightsaber; two, Grail can change the chi stream before it hits it's target, meaning he could move it around the blade.

Note that the chi blast is still coming from his hand, which means he still holds a connection to it.

Those two things are what people are claiming are TK and against the rules.

K now, thanks for that.

Chi blasts from the hands are be fine. That's just basic energy projection, similar to lots of other energy users in the tourney. Remotely turning the shield into offensive spikes at will, not allowed. It's still remote which puts it in the realm of TK.

Are we going by the definition of TK or just our own ideas of it?

The definition I'm using is basically 'remote control over an external force' Not sure if that fits some definition, but it sure seems like TK to me.

tel·e·ki·ne·sis Audio pronunciation of "telekinesis" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tl-k-nss, -k-)
n.

The movement of objects by scientifically inexplicable means, as by the exercise of an occult power.

telekinesis

n : the power to move something by thinking about it without the application of scientific force [syn: psychokinesis]
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That's the formal literal term for TK.

I see it this way:

If Loki(Hypno-Picard) isn't allowed to do it with the Force, neither is Grailnighter allowed to do it with chi.

If the force was something physical or explainable, then I'd have no problem with him using it to move things.
Same with Chi.

But, otherwise it's something mystical that can't be countered by anyone.

Voting for nataku, his guy seems to have a more assured way of putting him down.

i vote for nataku

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