Superman Prime (Juggs crystal, Magnetos suit) vs. Marvel Universe

Originally posted by Space M ummy
I was the poster who said "without using cosmics" because even superman prime doesn't really have a way to hurt things like Eternity, TOAA, pre-retcon beyonder, The phoenix force, Thanos (or anyone) with the gauntlet, a fleet of celestials, etc.

Keeping it restricted to beings below skyfather level just makes it more interesting.

One thing I want to know though is... when people post about SUperman prime is he considered to have the GL ring? Because it isn't mentioned in this thread.

Good question. I assumed he had it, since the only showing superman prime made was with the GL ring, and squashing (an essentially already beaten) solaris was done with the ring, not his own powers.

Thinking logically, Superman prime without the ring is still only as strong as his power source- a yellow star. Any being drawing on power that exceeds this should still be able to give him a good fight.

*With* the ring, he's a beast. His willpower should allow it to do almost whatever he wants it to.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Good question. I assumed he had it, since the only showing superman prime made was with the GL ring, and squashing (an essentially already beaten) solaris was done with the ring, not his own powers.

Thinking logically, Superman prime without the ring is still only as strong as his power source- a yellow star. Any being drawing on power that exceeds this should still be able to give him a good fight.

*With* the ring, he's a beast. His willpower should allow it to do almost whatever he wants it to.

non cosmics eh? lets see how well superman prime does against franklin richards.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
non cosmics eh? lets see how well superman prime does against franklin richards.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
non cosmics eh? lets see how well superman prime does against franklin richards.

😆 I thought you said reed richards

Originally posted by Hegemon875
😆 I thought you said reed richards

Originally posted by Juntai
It he had the ring it wouldn't be a problem.
Besides mental attacks on even CURRENT Superman are next to useless.

juntai. this is FRANKLIN, not someordinary psionic, he creates universes without even realizing.

Originally posted by Juntai
Due to lack of showings if nothing more. We won't REALLY know until the 853rd century rolls around and Clark comes to take his 27 monthly titles back from the Supermen.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
juntai. this is FRANKLIN, not someordinary psionic, he creates universes without even realizing.

Also noting that a GL ring can easily best this, especially now that they're sentient again. And that's WITHOUT Superman's infinite will.

Then we also must consider that Superman is a knowledged telepathic/ethereal/astral/whatever fighter as well, knowing the different Torqasm discplines [Vo, Rao, and others.]

Originally posted by Juntai
He creates pocket dimensions, so what? My old Elf in D&D could do that, and he'd stand no chance against Superman. Show me someone mentally sticking it to Superman telepathically or dominating him with telepathy without using Maxwell Lord's example since it took nearly 14 years real life time to accomplish what he did.

Also noting that a GL ring can easily best this, especially now that they're sentient again. And that's WITHOUT Superman's infinite will.

Then we also must consider that Superman is a knowledged telepathic/ethereal/astral/whatever fighter as well, knowing the different Torqasm discplines [Vo, Rao, and others.]

r u INSANE, the guy doesnt create pocket dimensions, he created multiple universe without even his own knowledge, he also resurrected galactus, no superman stands a chance.

Wasn't Manchester Black able to mess with superman's mind?

Franklin isn't just a telepath, he's a reality warper. he's potentially celestial level. He's still a kid, so I don't think he's quite a match for superman...yet.

Something like Onslaught IS tho

Originally posted by leonheartmm
r u INSANE, the guy doesnt create pocket dimensions, he created multiple universe without even his own knowledge, he also resurrected galactus, no superman stands a chance.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Wasn't Manchester Black able to mess with superman's mind?

Franklin isn't just a telepath, he's a reality warper. he's potentially celestial level. He's still a kid, so I don't think he's quite a match for superman...yet.

Something like Onslaught IS tho

Superman is faster than thought regardless.
He bumrushes him and smears him across MU-E's planetside.

Unless you're talking about Manchester's return when he came back even stronger and had most of DC-Earth's villains with him, and he put up the illusion of killing Lois, which had no effect on Superman at all as he knew it was false. Which isn't really messing with him at all either since he apperently saw through the illusion even though the reader didn't...

IIRC, Manchester was creating illusions in Superman's mind powerful enough to affect his behavior. (i.e. dead lois)

While it's not technically mind control, it does show superman isn't 100% immune to psionics.

Are you serious about bumrushing Onlslaught?? Onslaught withstood attacks from nearly every significant hero in the Marvel U, and an infinitely angry mindless hulk only cracked his armor because he WANTED him to. He also had no physical form. Go Ahead, bumrush a being of pure psionic energy and see how far that gets you.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
IIRC, Manchester was creating illusions in Superman's mind powerful enough to affect his behavior. (i.e. dead lois)

While it's not technically mind control, it does show superman isn't 100% immune to psionics.

Are you serious about bumrushing Onlslaught?? Onslaught withstood attacks from nearly every significant hero in the Marvel U, and an infinitely angry mindless hulk only cracked his armor because he WANTED him to. He also had no physical form. Go Ahead, bumrush a being of pure psionic energy and see how far that gets you.

I said he could crack the armor of Onslaught, but he'd have nothing on the energy form underneath save running to the Fortess, but you'd know this if you bothered to even read my posts in the other thread..

And besides all of this
We're talking about Superman 800 centuries stronger than now... and with a GL ring, Magneto's suit [which alone is going to block the telepathic attacks.] and the power crystal of Juggernaught.

I missed your post on manchester as I was in the middle of typing mine. Point taken.

Onslaught's energy form (hell, probably even his base form) isn't susceptible to physical attack. you can't hurt him that way, so this becomes an argument of could a GL ring powered by a strong enough will overcome onslaught.

That's...debatable.

As for magneto's HELMET blocking psychic attacks- please. it's nowhere near strong enough to block onslaught at full power messing with someone's mind. And assuming it was- onslaught is a beast physically. it's ridiculously simple to destroy it with force alone.

Juggernaut's crystal could even be a liability here. Didn't onslaught psionically rip the gem from juggy's chest, then imprison him IN it?

When did this become a vs Onslaught thread?
Fact is, with the GL ring, he could easily crush out solar systems in moments effortlessly. Onslaught isn't much against that. Plus, Hal has made the GL ring make him impervious to mental attacks.. and this was against an opponent who had a whole galaxy under mental dominion. [Check the GL respect thread if you need to see it to believe it.] Kyle's held together Supernovas. Time travel. The ring does whatever it's willed to do, provided the wielder has the will to pull it off, and Superman not only has a faster more powerful mind than any current or past GL, but also the universes strongest willpower.l

I agree, this thread got way offtrack. it was originally superman prime vs. the entire marvel U. (silly)

then we got into debating if any non cosmic entity could take on prime, then prime with the GL ring, etc...

Thinking on the ring's higher level feats, you're probably right. No one single being under skyfather level is going to be able to take on a GL ring with no weaknesses, fueled by (I'm speculating) infinite willpower.