Originally posted by sam_drugbringer
They are not the same thing as X-man's gene's were altered by Sinister to be the strongest possible.Calbe even admited that even if he didn't have the virius, he would never have beat him (he said this before jesus cable)
What comic? What volume? What issue number? I've NEVER read Cable admit any such thing and I own the entire series of both Cable ( #1-107 ), Soldier X ( #1-12 ), Cable & Deadpool ( #1- current ) and X-MAN ( #1-75 ).
actually cable never BEAT nate, he worked nate up in such a fury that nate HIMSELF overloaded, id poast scans if i had a scanner, any1 can look this up, cable never defeatednate with power. secondly nate and cable are just as different as cable and rachel, they have the same purpose but nate is stronger than cable.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
actually cable never BEAT nate, he worked nate up in such a fury that nate HIMSELF overloaded, id poast scans if i had a scanner, any1 can look this up, cable never defeatednate with power. secondly nate and cable are just as different as cable and rachel, they have the same purpose but nate is stronger than cable.
how can Nate be stronger than Cable when they are basically the same person?
no mainstream they are NOT the same person, thas just a misconception. they have the same genetic parents, thats a fact. but they are as alike as u n ur brother or ur sister. see they were born in different universes. in one, mr sisnister made madeline pryor{jean grey's clone} so that she would get married with cyclops and have a child. well she had two, cable,and rachel summers. cabel was a NATURAL baby, born of the random combination of the genes of scott and madeline. just like any other baby. but even still, he showed power greater than any other mutant of the time{even apocalypse} and THAT is the only thing he has in common with nate, his PURPOSE for creation, which was to destroy apocalypse.
nate on the other hand was not a real child of scott and jean. in the AOA{another universe} sinistersought of a way to destroy apocalypse, so he stole cyclops and jean grey's dna and MANUFACTURED it artificially by genetic engineering to become THE MOST POWERFUL dna possible of the two parents{as compared to the random combination of dna in cable's case} nate was supposed to be THE MOST POWERFUL mutant that ever walked the earth. he was artificially manufactured and born without a mother in a machine. he was also aged prematurely in machines. another thing sisnister did that he did not do in cable's case was create a failsafe for nate grey. sinister saw that abeing as powerful as nate was a threat to every one, and hence engineered a sorta timebomb into nate, which would kill him before the age of 21, this was all dont because he rightly feared nate's power. so as u can see, they are NOT the same person{n this whole misunderstandin arises just cause in one comic some stupid writer wrote that they were both the same practically which has been proven wrong many times} they only have the SAME purpose, they have different genetic codes and were created differently. cable is extremely powerful no doubt, but nate is like cabel on steroids{having the full potential of the random genes in cable}, n thas why nate would win even with cable,s longer trainin.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
no mainstream they are NOT the same person, thas just a misconception. they have the same genetic parents, thats a fact. but they are as alike as u n ur brother or ur sister. see they were born in different universes. in one, mr sisnister made madeline pryor{jean grey's clone} so that she would get married with cyclops and have a child. well she had two, cable,and rachel summers. cabel was a NATURAL baby, born of the random combination of the genes of scott and madeline. just like any other baby. but even still, he showed power greater than any other mutant of the time{even apocalypse} and THAT is the only thing he has in common with nate, his PURPOSE for creation, which was to destroy apocalypse.nate on the other hand was not a real child of scott and jean. in the AOA{another universe} sinistersought of a way to destroy apocalypse, so he stole cyclops and jean grey's dna and MANUFACTURED it artificially by genetic engineering to become THE MOST POWERFUL dna possible of the two parents{as compared to the random combination of dna in cable's case} nate was supposed to be THE MOST POWERFUL mutant that ever walked the earth. he was artificially manufactured and born without a mother in a machine. he was also aged prematurely in machines. another thing sisnister did that he did not do in cable's case was create a failsafe for nate grey. sinister saw that abeing as powerful as nate was a threat to every one, and hence engineered a sorta timebomb into nate, which would kill him before the age of 21, this was all dont because he rightly feared nate's power. so as u can see, they are NOT the same person{n this whole misunderstandin arises just cause in one comic some stupid writer wrote that they were both the same practically which has been proven wrong many times} they only have the SAME purpose, they have different genetic codes and were created differently. cable is extremely powerful no doubt, but nate is like cabel on steroids{having the full potential of the random genes in cable}, n thas why nate would win even with cable,s longer trainin.
um okay.
( Cable vol.1 No. #30-31. )
In the START of these comics the author ( Creator of X-Man ) specifically states they GENETICALLY IDENTICAL IN EVER WAY EVEN THEIR MUTANT POWERS. Only the difference is the circumstances of their being and Cable has the techno-organic virus.
Here; http://uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=64&page=5
( X-Man vol.1 No. 14, Cable vol.1 No. 29 )
Cable #29 was the FIRST to state that X-Man and Cable have the EXACT same power only Cable was hindered by the techno-organic virus. They were the same -- genetically and had the same psionic signature but came into existance under different circumstances.
Here; http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=73&page=3
( X-Man vol. 1 No.45-47 Cable vol.1 No. 63 )
In this issue Stryfe states over and over that they are genetically identical, have the same psionic signature though each are a " perverse " shade of Cable.
Here; http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=73&page=5
Also HERE;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Man
Unless you can name a comic name, volume and number in which it states; " X-Man and Cable are NOT genetically identical nor do they have the same psionic signature NOR the same mutant powers because X-MAN is WAY more powerful. " Shut up. Otherwise JUST face the facts. This is nathan summers; The Chosen One -- Over and OUT.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
actually cable never BEAT nate, he worked nate up in such a fury that nate HIMSELF overloaded, id poast scans if i had a scanner, any1 can look this up, cable never defeatednate with power. secondly nate and cable are just as different as cable and rachel, they have the same purpose but nate is stronger than cable.
Yes, Nathan DID work Nate up so that his powers would overload. Is that a win? Of course it is. It's no different than in boxing when you peddle around the ring and get your opponent upset, angry and confused. That's when you tire them out long enough and then -- BAM!! -- K.O. their ass. Cable used superior strategy against X-Man since his own powers were contained by the techno-organic virus. Why would you even EXPECT Nathan to use his abilities when he couldn't?
Secondly, Nathan and Nate not only have the same identical genetics as EVERY comic has stated but they have something called a psionic signature. No two beings, even if they're related by blood, have identical psionic signatures unless they are a clone or an alternate version. Ex; Madelyne Pryor ( Who was CREATED by Mister Sinister in a TEST TUBE!! ) and Jean Grey have the EXACT same genetics and same psionic signature. X-Man and Cable's powers are virtually identical. I would even assume Cable is more capable with his powers considering he's gone through the Askani Training, as well as having been tutored by Jean Grey with the use of his powers. X-Man was trained by who? Forge of AOA?
Originally posted by nathan summers
Yes, Nathan DID work Nate up so that his powers would overload. Is that a win? Of course it is. It's no different than in boxing when you peddle around the ring and get your opponent upset, angry and confused. That's when you tire them out long enough and then -- BAM!! -- K.O. their ass. Cable used superior strategy against X-Man since his own powers were contained by the techno-organic virus. Why would you even EXPECT Nathan to use his abilities when he couldn't?Secondly, Nathan and Nate not only have the same identical genetics as EVERY comic has stated but they have something called a psionic signature. No two beings, even if they're related by blood, have identical psionic signatures unless they are a clone or an alternate version. Ex; Madelyne Pryor ( Who was CREATED by Mister Sinister in a TEST TUBE!! ) and Jean Grey have the EXACT same genetics and same psionic signature. X-Man and Cable's powers are virtually identical. I would even assume Cable is more capable with his powers considering he's gone through the Askani Training, as well as having been tutored by Jean Grey with the use of his powers. X-Man was trained by who? Forge of AOA?
his name is Cable...REMEMBER IT!
Originally posted by demigawd
Operative word being "virtually". In this case, however, it makes all the difference.
I'll attempt to be more specific next time in the hopes my words won't be misconstrued. Every potential that Cable possesses is also possessed by X-Man. The reason why their powers are virtually identical is because of the means in which each has been able to employ them. Nathan was given a degree of FORMAL training when it came to the use of his psionic talents and was also limited in their use due to the techno-organic virus which diverted the majority of his strengths. God-Like Cable was able to readily wield his powers with more precision and accuracy because he had Askani Training as well as instruction from Jean Grey. Nathan Grey had NEITHER of those luxuries. He seemed to go through more of a trial and error situation.
Originally posted by demigawd
Operative word being "virtually". In this case, however, it makes all the difference.
To further clarify my remarks, Nathan Summers, while I understand your point that they're portrayed as being "the same person", that belief is illogical (Marvel's fault, not yours). Cable and Nate should have no more in common than you and your brother. In fact, they should have less in common, because Cable is the naturally conceived son of Cyclops and a clone of Jean Grey (and clones aren't truly identical) and Nate is the lab clone of Jean and Cyclops from an alternate universe. Genetically speaking, Nate Grey has more in common with Rachael than Cable. Either way, there's no logical way to support the belief that Nate and Cable are the same person. Each sperm has its own unique properties that create entirely different people. There's absolutely no way they came from the exactly same alternate reality drop of sperm, haha.
They're less than twins.
Originally posted by nathan summers
I'll attempt to be more specific next time in the hopes my words won't be misconstrued. Every potential that Cable possesses is also possessed by X-Man. The reason why their powers are virtually identical is because of the means in which each has been able to employ them. Nathan was given a degree of FORMAL training when it came to the use of his psionic talents and was also limited in their use due to the techno-organic virus which diverted the majority of his strengths. God-Like Cable was able to readily wield his powers with more precision and accuracy because he had Askani Training as well as instruction from Jean Grey. Nathan Grey had NEITHER of those luxuries. He seemed to go through more of a trial and error situation.
I actually read this after I posted my response. Yes, their powers are identical - they're large scale psionics. I completely agree with that.
That said, AOA Sinister did pretty clearly state that he did some of his own tweaking. We don't really know what exactly that entails, and whether that makes X-man more or less powerful than Cable.
The only thing we really have to go on are feats. Shaman Nate has the better feats, IMO.