Stench Prompted U.S. Troops to Burn Corpses

Started by xmarksthespot5 pages

The burning of bodies is apparently a desecration, but I don't really understand it. Then again I'm not a Muslim.

There are reasons for why, terrorist organisations manage to recruit (predominantly) young males to take up arms against the U.S. or blow themselves up. If the Administration - and the Americans on these boards - fail to see how this - the entire scenario, not just the burning of bodies - would be inflammatory or at the very least imprudent action then I really don't see an end to either the "War on Terror" or the Iraq Occupation in the foreseeable future.

Originally posted by BackFire
They weren't mocking the muslim religion, they were mocking the taliban for being to cowardly to claim their dead.

but thats not what i pointed out.
and as far as the taliban's feelings i dont give a shit.
im saying that mocking acts against ANY muslem,
using religon as a tool, is an insult to them all.

havent we learned our lesson after the koran incident at abu grabe?
mocking islam is completely reckless and puts people's lives in yet more danger.

Originally posted by PVS
but thats not what i pointed out.
and as far as the taliban's feelings i dont give a shit.
im saying that mocking acts against ANY muslem,
using religon as a tool, is an insult to them all.

havent we learned our lesson after the koran incident at abu grabe?
mocking islam is completely reckless and puts people's lives in yet more danger.

I didn't see where it said they were mocking the muslim religion in any way, nor did I see where they were using religion as a tool for anything.

They simply mocked the taliban specifically for not claiming their dead, had nothing to do with religion or muslim or anything, simply the taliban.

True the taliban don't deserve anything special.

Also not related but is Sun Tzu art of war a good book?? I have to pick an old ancient book for a project.

"A Pentagon spokesman described the incident as "repugnant" and said that the army was launching a criminal investigation into the alleged desecration of the corpses, which is in violation of the Geneva Convention on human rights."

thats not liberal spin, thats the pentagon

and, just the way it is, again:
"Muslims traditionally bury their dead, and as one Kabul cleric Mohammed Omar told newsmen, "the burning of these bodies is an offense against Muslims everywhere. Bodies are burned only in Hell."

dont shoot the messenger

I have to agree, the Taliban as an organisation are not deserving of much respect, but one must always look at the bigger picture. The situation was handled poorly, and like always this reflects poorly on the military and the US, especially with the groups the US are supposedly trying to win the hearts and minds of. Sure it's easy to say "yep, they were bastards in life, they deserve no respect in death" but as is often the case the easiest way is not the best.

Of course to mitigate the chances of disease and all something had to be done, but I don't know why they couldn't dig a hole for them. And in terms of smell, I grew up on a large farm, and sadly things died (not saying a dead cow or pig smells worse then a dead person, as I have no idea) and the smell can be bad - but generally the only thing worse then the dead rotting smell would be the smell of burning (which is why many farmers prefered to bury livestock that have died)

Originally posted by PVS
"A Pentagon spokesman described the incident as "repugnant" and said that the army was launching a criminal investigation into the alleged desecration of the corpses, which is in violation of the Geneva Convention on human rights."

thats not liberal spin, thats the pentagon

and, just the way it is, again:
"Muslim's traditionally bury their dead, and as one Kabul cleric Mohammed Omar told newsmen, "the burning of these bodies is an offense against Muslim's everywhere. Bodies are burned only in Hell."

dont shoot the messenger

That's, of course, merely a possibility, not "the way it is". They're launching an investigation to make sure no intentional desecration or mockery of the Muslim belief took place. An investigation is nothing more than that, an investigation. That second part is just someone's opinion on the matter. Some Muslim's were offended by the act, not denying that, what I'm denying is the intention of offense on the part of these soldiers.

According to the soldiers, who as of now, have the most validity and credibility in the matter seeing as they were actually there, said it was done because it had to be done in order to halt any possible disease and discomfort, not just to piss off Muslim's. Their intentions seemed decent enough, just more stupid people getting offended over something based on assumption of the worst or simple hearsay.

People are just jumping to idiotic and illogically hasty conclusions that this act was some sort of intentional attack against Muslim's and their beliefs, which, according to the soldiers, is simply untrue.

As I said, the actions (the mocking of the taliban, not the actual burnings, which I think is perfectly reasonable considering the circumstances they were in) were sloppy and reckless, but that has nothing to do with the intentions of the soldiers, just the way they handled the situation.

no, the soldiers were directly involved and may be up on charges,
which makes them far less credible than you've appraised. if they did desecrate the bodies, do you think they would be rushing to incriminate themselves?

i agree, we dont know anything for sure, but you cant sit there and write it off. the notion that its possible for someone to not be guilty should not be the means to halt an investigation and proclaim their innocence.

I'm not exactly "writing it off", innocent until proven guilty, and all. As of now, they're innocent, and seeing as they're the only ones who know what happened there, and their story makes sense, I'll stick with that untill someone actually proves that they did intentionally do wrong.

Originally posted by BackFire
I'm not exactly "writing it off", innocent until proven guilty, and all. As of now, they're innocent, and seeing as they're the only ones who know what happened there, and their story makes sense, I'll stick with that untill someone actually proves that they did intentionally do wrong.

ok, so you do feel this should be investigated?
if so, then we agreed all along

Who cares what happens to em? They are dead and nobody misses them. Except the liberal PETA folks of course..they all love animals.

Hell yeah ; Who cares?

They should have burnt corpses in New Orleans !

Originally posted by KidRock
Who cares what happens to em? They are dead and nobody misses them. Except the liberal PETA folks of course..they all love animals.

LOL.

ZOMG teh slurz!!1111!!11

Originally posted by PVS
ok, so you do feel this should be investigated?
if so, then we agreed all along

Sure, I have no problem with them investigating it, never said I did.

I just have a problem with the people who have already seemingly branded the soldiers guilty without really knowing the full story or even understanding the reasoning behind the act.

Originally posted by manny321
True the taliban don't deserve anything special.

Also not related but is Sun Tzu art of war a good book?? I have to pick an old ancient book for a project.

Go for Plato's Republic.

Originally posted by BackFire
Sure, I have no problem with them investigating it, never said I did.

I just have a problem with the people who have already seemingly branded the soldiers guilty without really knowing the full story or even understanding the reasoning behind the act.

and what would the reasoning have been ?

Unless we talk about a large amount of dead corpses, nor mass burial or cremation may be justified. Its inexcusable.

That they did it because it was beginning to stink and it could cause disease, that's what it stated in the article, according to the soldiers.

The tali ban aren't protected by the G-Convention. They don't get/deserve the right to be treated as human.

Burn 'em alive and piss on them inside of a mosque for all I care.

Originally posted by BackFire
That they did it because it was beginning to stink and it could cause disease, that's what it stated in the article, according to the soldiers.

omg tehy lied
Originally posted by long pig
The tali ban aren't protected by the G-Convention. They don't get/deserve the right to be treated as human.

Burn 'em alive and piss on them inside of a mosque for all I care.


Are you trolling or are you serious? Or both?

Probably a bit of both.

But, from what I know of the Geneva Convention, unless you follow the rules of battle in a war, you don't get the protection of the GC.

Taliban used terrorist tactics and didn't wear uniforms to distinguish themselves from the civilians, so they don't deserve any rights.

So, torturing/burning them is fine with me.