Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Why was it a bad idea?
IMO it is never a good idea to piss off a world religion, certainly not when avoidance is possible. Let alone the religion of your enemy.
I agree with you that it is not the soldiers their job to bury the dead, but if so why did they bury them? to stop the bodies from spreading diseases imo that ain't there job also.
Originally posted by long pig
You really got me there.🙄
Shouldn't you have grown out of this "Anti-American" phase by now?
actually i was pointing out both your weak prejudice comments.
and just so YOU know, its not very impressive to just make an assumption about people's opinions and then go on to argue with that assumption. often the sign of weak debating. by this i mean "unamerican".
you could have easily read my arguement beforehand and understood, but you chose to look like an asshat. congrats
and lil b. the issue is not bodies being burried,
the issue is the SUSPICION, NOT FACT (for backfire 😛 )
that the soldiers were desecrating the bodies and mocking
the muslem religion by facing their bodies east toward the mecca,
burning them not as a precautionary measure, but as a mocking cerimony
to basically all of islam, and bragging to the enemy about it.
the suspicion is that there was intentional desecration,
which is forbidden by the geneva convention,
and, if true, is just sadistic and evil.
its not about defending the enemy
its about not making MORE enemies.
and thats quite a sound strategy considering
the land they occupy.
Originally posted by PVS
and lil b. the issue is not bodies being burried,
the issue is the SUSPICION, NOT FACT (for backfire 😛 )
that the soldiers were desecrating the bodies and mocking
the muslem religion by facing their bodies east toward the mecca,
burning them not as a precautionary measure, but as a mocking cerimony
to basically all of islam, and bragging to the enemy about it.
the suspicion is that there was intentional desecration,
which is forbidden by the geneva convention,
and, if true, is just sadistic and evil.its not about defending the enemy
its about not making MORE enemies.
and thats quite a sound strategy considering
the land they occupy.
I see.
Thats even stupider than. Who would go through so much trouble to offend someones religion - turning bodis towards mecca and such. If its true, then it is sadistic and evil, but as already stated, its a suspition.
The very fact that the locals refused to bury the bodies of their Muslim brothers, regardless of where they are from, but leaving them to rot in heat is a bigger insult to Islam then a suspition that soldiers burned the body, cos they had nothing better to do.
The point is - the locals offended the families of those two dead muslims more than those soldiers did - the soldiers gave them a chance to bury them - so then when the viligers refused, then and only then they decided to insult islam? That sounds a bit far fetched.
If they wanted to insult Islam by burning their bodies, turning them towards mecca and what not, they would not have asked locals to bury them first - they would have burned them regardless.
oh btw, my mistake: they were supposedly pointing the bodies west...not east.
not that it matters to you or i, but you never know when some trivia nazi will pounce on me for that 😂
anyway, yes, its all a matter of investigation. regardless of what we read and hear, its all useless hearsay. so until then, we can only rationalise the situation based on what the accused say, what those who dispise the accused say, and our own assumption. not a steady ground for debate imho
i just hope that they didnt do it, because if they did and its exposed as hard fact, it just means yet more lives are in danger from the backlash.
i hope that if they did do it, the investigation will be thorough and those responsible will face justice.
Originally posted by PVS
oh btw, my mistake: they were supposedly pointing the bodies west...not east.
not that it matters to you or i, but you never know when some trivia nazi will pounce on me for that 😂anyway, yes, its all a matter of investigation. regardless of what we read and hear, its all useless hearsay. so until then, we can only rationalise the situation based on what the accused say, what those who dispise the accused say, and our own assumption. not a steady ground for debate imho
i just hope that they didnt do it, because if they did and its exposed as hard fact, it just means yet more lives are in danger from the backlash.
i hope that if they did do it, the investigation will be thorough and those responsible will face justice.
That's one thing that I never understood about the new photos and reports of prisoner abuse that O'Reilly and his ilk were bi.tching about in the last few weeks. They say that they don't want this information to get out, because it could, and likely will, cost more coalition soldiers their lives. But, they are like the kids who do something wrong and don't want their parents to find out...because they'll get in trouble. They aren't taking into consideration that FACT that these prisoners are being mistreated. They want to sweep the evidence under the rug, rather than face it like men...and change the situation. They aren't talking about how to stop it from happening, and having people, all the way up the ladder held accountable...they just don't want teh bad guys to find out. In my opinion, that's just like saying that the prisoners deserved it...that it's proper retribution for 9/11. All it really is, is a continuation of American hypocrisy.
Originally posted by PVS
actually i was pointing out both your weak prejudice comments.and just so YOU know, its not very impressive to just make an assumption about people's opinions and then go on to argue with that assumption. often the sign of weak debating. by this i mean "unamerican".
you could have easily read my arguement beforehand and understood, but you chose to look like an asshat. congrats
You're such a rebel.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The locals refused to bury the dead, so the soldiers burned them. How is that worse than letting corpses rot in the heat?I think the religion here is used for everything - and im not the biggest fan of some American behaviour displayed by the soldiers, but i seriously do not see anything too terrible about what has been done.
It wsant a mockery - the locals refused to bury the bodies. Im sorry to sound harsh, but it is not American soldiers responsibility to bury the bodies.
1) I have read dozens of reports on the matter and none of them state that 'locals' refused to bury them.
2) They used corpses as bait playing a full-on recording mocking the other soldiers.
3) It's mockery doing what you are supposed NOT to be doing. And it was done out of spite.
They burned the bodies and taunted over a loudspeaker:
"You allowed your fighters to be laid down facing west and burned. You are too scared to come down and retrieve the bodies. This just proves you are the lady boys we always believed you to be."
Seems so much different than normal cremation due to '' risk of disease'' to me.
"You allowed your fighters to be laid down facing west and burned. You are too scared to come down and retrieve the bodies. This just proves you are the lady boys we always believed you to be."
It sounds like psychological warfare to me.
A soldier's mind should be fixed on killing the dirty jawas, not respecting their silly religion.