No weapons: Batman versus ALi ( in his prime)

Their has just been a robbery/mugging.
Batman shows up and sees ali wlaking down the street.
During the confusion ali drops some money, a couple 20's.
The old lady points at ali, mistakin' him for the man who just pushed her down and stole $60 from her purse.
Ali tries to tell batman it wasn't him, but batman demands he give the money back and tries to jack him up.

We all know ali wouldn't even have that go down so he immediately knocks batman's hands off of him and jerks back.

ALi:" Hey man, you'd better keep yo' hand off me, sucka!"

Batman:" You scum! Give me the money back or else I'll take it!"

Ali:" I ain't got no money but my own and if you touch me I'll knock the ugly off of you, mooo-thaaa-****a!"

Batman:" What did you just say!?!
[starts walking towards ali in tenet on roughing ali up.]

[Ali throws a fast jab that catches batman in the nose.]
[Blood starts to drip from batman's nose as he is stumbled back 2 steps from the quicker than normal punch reflex of ali.]

Batman:"Ahh. You punk, you broke my nose! Now I'm mad."

Ali:" I'm finna break alot more than that, bring it on, I'm a badddd man!"

[they fights, who wins!]

ali takes it

float like a butterfly stings like a bee

or flaps like a bat squeaks like a bat

Batman wins. easily. Ali's just a boxer.

Now Rocky, on the other hand...

Originally posted by demigawd
Batman wins. easily. Ali's just a boxer.

Now Rocky, on the other hand...

just a boxer ... omg... he's the GREATEST

apparently stallones making rocky 6 so rocky must be immortal as well as indestructable "this man is like a peice of iron"

Ali could beat Batman in a boxing match, but that's about as far as it goes.

Originally posted by demigawd
Ali could beat Batman in a boxing match, but that's about as far as it goes.

ever watch UFC guys who just punch quite often win matches e.g. Chuck liddell

Rocky is a cosmic entity, the physical manifestation of the Power Montage.

He's absolute.

I'd take Batman over Ali simply because as stated before, Ali's just a boxer, and the stipulation doesn't say Batman is confined to just boxing Ali.

If it was a boxing match my money would be on Ali.

Even without weapons, Batman could probably still use whatever's lying around to his advantage.

Originally posted by severance
ever watch UFC guys who just punch quite often win matches e.g. Chuck liddell

Most of them win on the ground, though. Batman's first style was Judo. Your knowledge of UFC should tell you what happens when someone who can't ground fight goes up against a ground fighter.

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Even without weapons, Batman could probably still use whatever's lying around to his advantage.

maybe but string stipulates no weapons

Rocky should be inducted into the BS universe.
We shall call him "Rocky almighty".

Back to the issue at hand.

A boxer is not some normal street person.
You're talkin' about a human of top level condition that is one of the best fighters on earth. A living fighting machine with hands that are court deamed as " lethal weapons" by law.

Ali is not just a boxer, he's one of the best.
He should recieve more respect, hell he took foreman's hardest hits, that would have surley flattened batman.

Ali was staggered, he was a bloody mess, but he kept comin'.

2 punches from foreman at full force would have knocked batman's lights out, unless batman had a writer to write him impervious to the punches.

Ali is way faster than normal human, way quicker reflexes, way more agile on his feet than normal human, slightly stronger than normal human(being an athlete), has punches way more powerful than a normal human.

Human had the endurance of a comic book inhuman cuase he could fight for hours.
Plus, ali could talk you out of your game far better than batman can.
He'd verbally assault batman til he struck a cord that made batman fight blindly or even make a crucial mistake to be capitalized on.
This results in a few stun punches and a knockout blow to batman's skull.

Ali stands a damn good chance.

Originally posted by jplatinum
Rocky should be inducted into the BS universe.
We shall call him "Rocky almighty".

Back to the issue at hand.

A boxer is not some normal street person.
You're talkin' about a human of top level condition that is one of the best fighters on earth. A living fighting machine with hands that are court deamed as " lethal weapons" by law.

Ali is not just a boxer, he's one of the best.
He should recieve more respect, hell he took foreman's hardest hits, that would have surley flattened batman.

Ali was staggered, he was a bloody mess, but he kept comin'.

2 punches from foreman at full force would have knocked batman's lights out, unless batman had a writer to write him impervious to the punches.

Ali is way faster than normal human, way quicker reflexes, way more agile on his feet than normal human, slightly stronger than normal human(being an athlete), has punches way more powerful than a normal human.

Human had the endurance of a comic book inhuman cuase he could fight for hours.
Plus, ali could talk you out of your game far better than batman can.
He'd verbally assault batman til he struck a cord that made batman fight blindly or even make a crucial mistake to be capitalized on.
This results in a few stun punches and a knockout blow to batman's skull.

Ali stands a damn good chance.

exacto -mundo

maybe bats could take this 50:50 if he used a sneaky pussified submission move

ali's got the quickest hands of any heavy weight and at 6'3" hes got a reach advantage

Originally posted by demigawd
Most of them win on the ground, though. Batman's first style was Judo. Your knowledge of UFC should tell you what happens when someone who can't ground fight goes up against a ground fighter.

So, it'd come down to who can grapple better, Batman or Ali?

Ali never took a clean shot from Foreman. He made Foreman miss, or hit his arms the whole match. Ali even said, "Foreman never hurt me. I told you he wouldn't".

However fast and strong Ali is, that's nothing on a comic book scale. Ali could bench about 300, which isn't that strong. Batman can bench press between 630 and 725 pounds (depending on your source). Ali was a notoriously light-hitting heavyweight. Norton once joked, "Floats like a butterly, stings like a butterfly".

And most importantly...the stips didn't say Batman wasn't wearing his body armor.

Batman 10/10

Originally posted by demigawd
Ali never took a clean shot from Foreman. He made Foreman miss, or hit his arms the whole match. Ali even said, "Foreman never hurt me. I told you he wouldn't".

However fast and strong Ali is, that's nothing on a comic book scale. Ali could bench about 300, which isn't that strong. Batman can bench press between 630 and 725 pounds (depending on your source). Ali was a notoriously light-hitting heavyweight. Norton once joked, "Floats like a butterly, stings like a butterfly".

And most importantly...the stips didn't say Batman wasn't wearing his body armor.

Batman 10/10

he did in fact knock foreman out however

ok which reality are we in comic book or ours cos in our reality no one who benches 700lbs can move fast enough to a hope in a fight

if we are in comic book reality well ali took out superman

Originally posted by severance
ever watch UFC guys who just punch quite often win matches e.g. Chuck liddell

I say Batman would win however since he is well versed in different styles.

I am not underestimating Ali however. He could do 6 fully committed punches in 1 second. That 2 less punches tha f***ing Bruce Lee and Ali has a lot more mass to move than Bruce. Ali would get some decent hits in but....

Batman 9/10

That 1/10 is Ali getting in a sucker punch

Originally posted by severance
he did in fact knock foreman out however

ok which reality are we in comic book or ours cos in our reality no one who benches 700lbs can move fast enough to a hope in a fight

if we are in comic book reality well ali took out superman

I'd expect Ali to take out Superman...Superman had his powers removed for the fight. I'd expect Batman to destroy a powerless Superman too.

He didn't knock Foreman out so much as Foreman knocked himself out. I saw the fight...it was legendary in that Ali was a huge underdog and came back and won. But as a boxing match....it was boring. Ali baited Foreman into the corner where he made Foreman miss round after round after round, while not really doing anything to hit him back. Foreman could hardly keep his hands up by round 8. Ali just unloaded on him and Foreman couldn't keep his hands up long enough to even defend himself. He was just too tired from 100+ punches per round. They calculated that Foreman had 10x the punch output of Ali. Brilliant tactic, but Batman is a genius.

And he's wearing his body armor. You know...the bulletproof one.

Originally posted by demigawd
I'd expect Ali to take out Superman...Superman had his powers removed for the fight. I'd expect Batman to destroy a powerless Superman too.

He didn't knock Foreman out so much as Foreman knocked himself out. I saw the fight...it was legendary in that Ali was a huge underdog and came back and won. But as a boxing match....it was boring. Ali baited Foreman into the corner where he made Foreman miss round after round after round, while not really doing anything to hit him back. Foreman could hardly keep his hands up by round 8. Ali just unloaded on him and Foreman couldn't keep his hands up long enough to even defend himself. He was just too tired from 100+ punches per round. They calculated that Foreman had 10x the punch output of Ali. Brilliant tactic, but Batman is a genius.

And he's wearing his body armor. You know...the bulletproof one.

damn i was hoping the superman defeat would win this debate for me.

huh body armor ok if he wants to hide behind the armor he can have his win - not very glorious tho'

Originally posted by severance
damn i was hoping the superman defeat would win this debate for me.

Mighta worked too if I hadn't read the issue. 😉

huh body armor ok if he wants to hide behind the armor he can have his win - not very glorious tho'

The body armor just makes the debate easier for me to manage. I'd still give Batman 10/10 if it were Bruce Wayne vs. Ali in a no holds barred match.

Originally posted by severance
he did in fact knock foreman out however

ok which reality are we in comic book or ours cos in our reality no one who benches 700lbs can move fast enough to a hope in a fight

if we are in comic book reality well ali took out superman

How do you know how fast a guy who can bench press 700lbs is? Where do you think speed comes from? Muscle strength. I think you'd be surprised at how fast a guy who's that strong really is. Also, if a guy can bench 700lbs I sure as shit do not want to get punched by him. I read a story about one of those world's strongest man competitors who was at a bar with his wife. Some idiot squeezed his wifes' breasts 'cause he thought the strong man was a big slow muscle head. The strong man punched the guy so hard that blood from the guys face splattered on the bartender who was about 10-15 feet away. The moron was knocked out cold and had broken bones in his face. If Batman is that strong and is as good a fighter as he is then Ali hasn't got a chance.