Ali didn't hit hard? Compared to Foreman maybe, but that's not saying much. Even after Frazier beat Ali, it was Frazier who ended up in the hospital!
I see this going one of two ways.
A) Ali throws a punch but Batman catches him is some sort of joint lock and folds the Champ up like a pretzel.
B) Ali connects and is able to follow through. If Batman isn't stunned, he'd probably still win, see above. If he's even momentarily dazed though he's in for the beating of his life. There's no "neutral corners" on the street.
By the by JP, Dizzle's whuppin on you in the Tourney Bonus Round. I called you out, but when you didn't respond I let D. have you. You're disappointing your fans, man.
Originally posted by severance
ever watch UFC guys who just punch quite often win matches e.g. Chuck liddell
You could see that on Ultimate Fighter when golden gloves champ Marcus got his head beat in by black belt jujitsu Joe in a grapple.
I'm in the bonus rounds, I didn't even know that.
I thought those were for people who didn't get murdered in the first match(Like My amalgram did).
I hadn't even taken a look in there cause I figure what the hell.
You tellin' me I'm in there and I'm gettin' shots taken at me while I'm not even there to defend myself.
OHHH....Its goin' down now, man!
[JP bolts off to bonus tourney.]
Ali benches 300lbs and throws 6 punches in a second(way quicker than normal speed).
Strength+peak-inhuman speed=knockout power, enough to knock batman out if he connects.
So don't tell me ali's punches wouldn't hurt batman, batman can be knocked out.
Ali is also faste enough to hit batman too.
And in judo/jujitsu you are taught to arm lock and grab/holds, etc.
Thats really only on people who throw straight or locked punches, a boxer(especially a faster than normal boxer) like Ali throw mostlt super quick jabs and pulls back, he won't be throwing the type of punches that batman can really grab to do any of this stuff.
And if batman tries to come in to do this stuff, remember ali was great at backin' up while jabbin' at high speed.
So batman would still be gettin' his face ate up by ali's jabs, then batman can't see out his eye, anymore.
Ali k.o.'s him, end of story.
Imagine batman tryin' to hit ali, who is bouncin around and floatin' like a butterfly and stingin' like a bee at the same time.
Batman' fighting approach isn't adapt at fighting that, he fights stationary, predictable come-at-you opponents.
He doesn't fight people that fight like ali nomatter how many martial-arts styles they know.
Batman tries to switch up to boxing then he will really get pwned cause ALi will work him like a french hooker on a busy day.
Either scenario, Batman gets owned, unless he grabb ali and doesn't get pummeled while doin' that.
I'm a baddddd mannnnn!"
Originally posted by guy smiley
How do you know how fast a guy who can bench press 700lbs is? Where do you think speed comes from? Muscle strength. I think you'd be surprised at how fast a guy who's that strong really is. Also, if a guy can bench 700lbs I sure as shit do not want to get punched by him. I read a story about one of those world's strongest man competitors who was at a bar with his wife. Some idiot squeezed his wifes' breasts 'cause he thought the strong man was a big slow muscle head. The strong man punched the guy so hard that blood from the guys face splattered on the bartender who was about 10-15 feet away. The moron was knocked out cold and had broken bones in his face. If Batman is that strong and is as good a fighter as he is then Ali hasn't got a chance.
my friend do you know anyone who can bench 700. i know a guy who can bench 500. he is 5'10" and weighs about 230. he is so stocky he has no hope of having the same hand speed as me. sure if he hits me with all his weight its gonna hurt, but he is unlikely to. if strong guys can be so fast how is that you rarely see olympic sprinters over 200lbs in weight. how is it that heavy weight champs max out at about 250lbs. surely the heavy weight champion should be 350lbs.
my point is that in the real world any guy who can bench 700 is not gonna be 6'2" and 210lbs as batman is - more like 310 lbs and so he would be much to slow to fight ali. I can accept batmans abilities in the comic world but we are asked to compare him to a real guy where real physiology applies
by the way the dude who squeezed your wife's breast deserved what was coming to him
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Umm... it's quite the opposite. Boxers are horrible against anyone with any ground skills. Chuck Liddell is also a wrestler.You could see that on Ultimate Fighter when golden gloves champ Marcus got his head beat in by black belt jujitsu Joe in a grapple.
when was the last time chuck liddell won a fight by tap out? or ground and pound. the last time i saw him fight when ever he got guy on the ground he stood straight back up so he could continue to trade
Originally posted by severance
when was the last time chuck liddell won a fight by tap out? or ground and pound. the last time i saw him fight when ever he got guy on the ground he stood straight back up so he could continue to trade
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Umm... it's quite the opposite. Boxers are horrible against anyone with any ground skills. Chuck Liddell is also a wrestler.
P.S. PrideFC>>>>>>>>>>UFC
Batman will beat Ali by the way.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Yes a pure boxer will lose to any MIXED MARTIAL ARTIST. Mixed martial artists usually know how to box along with several other styles. A pure grappler will also get owned if he doesn't cross train.P.S. PrideFC>>>>>>>>>>UFC
Batman will beat Ali by the way.
mixed martial artist strikers like liddell as good as they are - are leagues apart from ali
btw pride- is that gay pride?
Originally posted by jplatinum
I'm in the bonus rounds, I didn't even know that.I thought those were for people who didn't get murdered in the first match(Like My amalgram did).
I hadn't even taken a look in there cause I figure what the hell.
The Bonus Round is for everybody who lost their first match, except for the craven cheater Zachrivard. The winner of the 7-way battle royale gets to fight for 3rd place overall in a three way bout against the semi-final loosers. This of course means there's a chance you could get some payback against Scarlet Cyborg if you win here and he looses in his semi-bout.
Originally posted by jplatinum
You tellin' me I'm in there and I'm gettin' shots taken at me while I'm not even there to defend myself.OHHH....Its goin' down now, man!
[JP bolts off to bonus tourney.]
We're still waiting. Come on man, think of all the kids who wear your jersey...🙂
Back on topic. Much depends on how overconfident Bats is feeling. Most of the time Bats just expects random street toughs to collapse in fear of him. His "pre-costume" fights in Batman:Year One are a good exmple of the problems he can have when they dont. If he approaches Ali like just another random purse-snatcher, he's in for a beating. If he treats the Champ as an opponent worthy of his best game he'll probably win.
Originally posted by severance
mixed martial artist strikers like liddell as good as they are - are leagues apart from alibtw pride- is that gay pride?
Pride is the Pride Fighting Championships.
No offense but do you all actually know anything about this sport, or do you just watch Ultimate Fighter and UFC reruns? I'm just wondering. Not trying to start anything.
Originally posted by Laminator_X
If he approaches Ali like just another random purse-snatcher, he's in for a beating. If he treats the Champ as an opponent worthy of his best game he'll probably win.
I'll go with that. Ali was a bright man but Bruce is a genius he will with prep work out a combat style that will screw with ali and win.
if ali was to have prep time howvever say a few months to learn some cross martial arts skills, are we saying a natural athlete like ali has no chance against bats. Remember bats is not the greatest in any martial arts in his world only one of the best. ali is widely considered (including by himself) as the greatest of all times.
I can't believe this thread is still going. Batman has taken MULTIPLE attacks from the likes of Bane (benches a ton), Captain America (benches 1000lbs and has peak human speed), Deathstroke (CL1), Amazo (CL100!!), Wonder Woman (CL100!!! near light speed), SUPERMAN (CL100+, light speed), DARKSEID (CLXXX). He's tripped up the Flash (LIGHT SPEED ATTACKS). He's taken out armed and unarmed ASSASSINS able to KILL with a single casual attack. He's dodged and deflected BULLETS and HEAT VISION. And you're telling me that Muhammad Ali, an unarmed, unarmored human whose only mastered martial art is boxing, with a below average KO ratio but top notch self-hype is going to beat him?
Are you serious?
my friend do you know anyone who can bench 700. i know a guy who can bench 500. he is 5'10" and weighs about 230. he is so stocky he has no hope of having the same hand speed as me. sure if he hits me with all his weight its gonna hurt, but he is unlikely to. if strong guys can be so fast how is that you rarely see olympic sprinters over 200lbs in weight. how is it that heavy weight champs max out at about 250lbs. surely the heavy weight champion should be 350lbs.
my point is that in the real world any guy who can bench 700 is not gonna be 6'2" and 210lbs as batman is - more like 310 lbs and so he would be much to slow to fight ali. I can accept batmans abilities in the comic world but we are asked to compare him to a real guy where real physiology applies
Which is really the problem with this whole thing. Ali CAN'T be a match for Batman because Batman's feats and conditioning are IMPOSSIBLE in the real world. Someone with Batman's stats in the real world would be the strongest man on earth, the fastest man on earth, his training (mastery in 300 or whatever martial arts) would make him the most skilled man on earth, his agility feats would make him the most agile man on earth, his inventions would make him the most ingenious man on earth and his battle plans would make him the greatest tactician on earth. How is this possible? BECAUSE HE'S A COMIC BOOK CHARACTER. And if you were to take him out of the comic book world and dismiss all these stats and feats based upon real world psyiological limits, then he wouldn't be Batman anymore and this battle would be inaccurate.
Real world characters and comic characters fighting don't mix.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Ali could not beat a top tier mixed martial artist in a fight. In a boxing match of course he'd win.
Vs. "top-tier," he'd probably loose. Those guys could probably withstand Ali's onslaught long enough to change-up the fight to favor their wider variety of skills (ie kicks to the side of the leg, grappling, ground-fighting, etc). Anybody below that level however, would get schooled. Ali was like a great-cat.
When the time comes, if there's an afterlife (Heaven, or perhaps Allah's Garden or Earthly Delights, with all due respect) Ali will face Sugar Ray Robinson. The skies will shake with thunder from the force of their blows.
Ali would lose this horribly.
He'd be no better than a hired thug against Batman.
Batman takes out SUPERHUMANS, Ali is nothing compared to that.
Next we have to realise, Batman was trained by Wildcat.
In DC comics, he is history's greatest boxer, he retired the champ.
But Batman and Wildcat are not ONLY a boxer, they're also MMA practitioners. And two of the best at that.
Originally posted by Laminator_X
Vs. "top-tier," he'd probably loose. Those guys could probably withstand Ali's onslaught long enough to change-up the fight to favor their wider variety of skills (ie kicks to the side of the leg, grappling, ground-fighting, etc). Anybody below that level however, would get schooled. Ali was like a great-cat.
Add in some crosstraining for Ali however, and Batman is in for a hell of a fight.
Originally posted by severance
my point is that in the real world any guy who can bench 700 is not gonna be 6'2" and 210lbs as batman is - more like 310 lbs and so he would be much to slow to fight ali. I can accept batmans abilities in the comic world but we are asked to compare him to a real guy where real physiology applies
Originally posted by severance
when was the last time chuck liddell won a fight by tap out? or ground and pound. the last time i saw him fight when ever he got guy on the ground he stood straight back up so he could continue to trade
Originally posted by severance
btw pride- is that gay pride?