Why CAN'T Superman beat Thanos??

Originally posted by long pig
So, Thanos is:

Above Juggernaut Durability
Far above Superman strength.
Far above Reed intelligence.
Far above Surfer's blast power.

I understand that much, it's a doozy and makes him insanely powerful, but what about:

His speed?
Skill?(Champ jobbed, it's that simple.)
Reflexes?
Teleportation/Flight ability?
Any other abilities that would make him capable of fighting multiple heavy weights who are blitzing him at lightspeed.

What will speedblitz do to someone who won't feel much pain?

Originally posted by leonidas
(kg, you remember the one man war i waged against you and cosmic cube in the ww/supes/cm v thanos thread a long while back? i STILL say those three could take him!!) [/B]

look at options.

Superman gets knock out or trapped
CM gets his ass trapped like odin/mad thor
WW knocked out or trapped.

the best they can do to thanos is lasso which is not very logical seeing how smart thanos is

Originally posted by long pig
Probably the same reason Hulk never throws Wolverine into orbit even though it's obvious he could.

The Thanos v Odin fight was PIS, too. They basically h2h'd each other and threw out a few blasts.

Odin didn't use 1% of his power, Thanos used all he had, which compaired to Odin, wasn't much.

I'm not trying to put Thanos on blast saying he's weak, he obviously isn't. I just don't understand all the jobbing.

And yes, PIS happens a lot in comics, but that's why we have these forums, we have fights where there IS no PIS. No reason why Surfer doesn't blitz or Strange doesn't banish. In comics, Thanos is top dawg, here, he isn't. IMO

going by your style of debeating

No one whould beat SS , or strage

Could Thanos be the product of legendary hype from Jim Starlin, going way back to the original Captain Marvel days? Even looking at his Marvel profile, his levels are still vaguely written. Is it just because he has an insanely dangerous mind and is such a diabolical plotter, that he's like the boogeyman to other heroes who should be able to hang with him? Are we just conditioned to the idea of "Thanos. We need a LOT of help to defeat him"?

No one who can't handle & stop a blitz should beat Surfer, no.

In my mind, Surfer will be flying as fast and outputting as much power as he possibly can 24/7 in a no PIS/CIS "VS" fight.

And there are very few who can beat Strange, although he is more powerful than Surfer, Surfer's speed would more likely be the deciding factor if they fought. Unless Strange had prep.

Thanos needs a device to teleport. I've never seen him do it under his own power.

Once during the Infinity Gauntlet story, Strange transported the essences of Silver Surfer and Thanos to another dimension to "work out their differences". Both had their cosmic powers removed and only had some knight armor and a horse of some sort. Surfer came out on top and probably could have killed Thanos then and there, until some choice words from Thanos made the Surfer back away, resulting in a quick turn of events and Thanos came out on top. It seems that whenever these two fight, Thanos can easily get into Surfer's head, and that advantage gives Thanos the upper hand most of the time.

That and Thanos is more powerful.

Well, SS isn't known for his intelligence. He's a bit retarded at times.

Before he was changed to the Surfer, Norrin was a smart guy.

He's too naive for his own good.

i think if they wrote him more he would be depowered but he hasn't been in too many comics lately, look at venom, doomsday.

I don't think beating champion should be the measure of his skill. The Champion is Marvel's patsy. No one should be able to beat him, yet everyone does. The measure of Thanos's skill is Gamora. He made her what she is, and when they spar it's dead even.

I wouldn't say Odin was commiting 1%. He summonned Gungnir to blast him with it. He almost never resorts to that. He did get a little CISish in so far as continuing to fight Thanos head-on rather than using his power in some more creative way to diffuse the situation. That's not entirely out of character though.

What lets Thanos win is not power per-se, though he has that in abundance. Thanos is perhaps the character least prone to CIS. He actually does go all out on much of the time. He's always one step ahead, and always has at least two backup plans. Plenty of heroes could beat him at their best (Strange in particular) or if they took him by surprise (like when Warlock turned him to stone). He's almost never surprised though, and when somebody comes at him with a bigger bang than he's got he's usually changed the circumstances before the blow falls.

Finally, as far as raw might goes, he's just so hard to hurt. I'm not talking about the "can't die" thing. I mean that seriously injuring a cosmicly powered Eternal (Thanos, Mentor, or any of the Eternals of Earth) through physical means is nigh impossable. How do you think one small city of Eternals could dominate against the entire Deviant Empire for thousands of years? We've only ever seen two of them die. Zuras fell when the Celestials shattered the Uni-Mind. Forgotten One had his energies disrupted by Immortus. I don't think it's possable to just beat one of them down. You could hurt him, wear him down maybe, and Old School Thanos did run low on power when they fought for several days straight against the Magus's army.

What's he do when he's overmatched? He changes the fight. That's what would happen if someone like Superman just started speed-wailing on him. He'd soak it up for a bit, then grapple once he's got the timing felt out. Once they're grappled, he cuts loose with the Big Energy discharges. Highly competant, very powerful, and nearly immune to CIS (apart from all that power-mongering).

Honestly?

There is no jobbing involved. He has been written since his creation to be that uber.

Hes more durable than the top tier. More vicious than the top tier. Cant die. Its the champion of Death, same way Warlock is of life.

Uber energy manipulation. Uber prep. Uber strenght above what normally the high tier shows to do. (And yes, combat showings do count. He also defeated someone who busted a star and destroyed a planet in the process while slugging out with that someone).

And unlike the whole high tier has one low showing ever.

Hes simply written as better. Therefore he wins against that tier.

Not that they cant get a win, but not on regular levels. It would be somewhat of an extreme situation.

If they ever start to beat him that would be jobbing. Just look at Darkseid.

Originally posted by long pig
So, Thanos is:

Above Juggernaut Durability
Far above Superman strength.
Far above Reed intelligence.
Far above Surfer's blast power.

I understand that much, it's a doozy and makes him insanely powerful, but what about:

Long Pig can i just congratulate you on a simply brilliant Thread !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some excellent opinions as well, (Not that it probably doesn't mean much coming from the kid whose spells come, .... cum 😉 )

I really don't think he is as powerful as this though. For example Thor's God force put Thanos on the deck, Juggernaut was left standing. He has also been knocked out by Thor, something that he cannot do to Juggernaut.

He is definitely stronger than most higher tier class 100 characters, but we can assume he wasn't as strong as the Mangog (One rarely hires a body guard weaker than ones self). Thor with his belt (It does substantially increase his strength) demonstrated that he was equally as strong as Thanos. Kurse on the other hand, was shown to be far stronger than Thor ,with his belt. Kurse and Mangog are therefore probably a lot stronger. I honestly believe Superman to be alot stronger than any Class 100 character. His consistent feats, demonstrate this IMO (NOt just lifting feats).

He has shown to be at least as intelligent as Reed, his tech and scheming, puts him on a level above Doom. This can be used to explain some his miraculous victories (Against opponents, who are much faster, can teleport and with Skill). IMO he is like a marvel version of Deathstroke. Using his immense intellect's he can predict his opponents attacks and act accordingly. Deathstroke has an arrange of semi Super powers, which are inferior to a variety of D.C. opponents. Yet Identity Crisis,clearly illustrated the power of intellect. Deathstroke literally made the JLA look like amateurs. Its not hard to imagine Thanos doing the same.

Thanos's blast power is highly rated, and is clearly beyond the Surfers level. (E.G. Surfer would be unlikely to hurt Tyrant, Galactus and co,) but is it really on a planet destroying level ? I am yet to see evidence of this. As dually noted before, even Doctor Strange's Feats are far superior.

Strange's feats dwarf 99% of the heroes in DC or Marvel, so saying Strange's feats are more impressive isn't a put down.

Originally posted by long pig
Strange's feats dwarf 99% of the heroes in DC or Marvel, so saying Strange's feats are more impressive isn't a put down.

That isn't a Biased oppinion is it ? 😏

I can't believe you ignored all he other stuff !!!!!!!!!! That essay took ages !!!!!!! 🙂

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So you want us prove why Thanos can't be beat by Superman but we can't use anything from the comics?

Is there another medium you want us to use?

If you throw out every fight in comics as PIS then what do you have left?

Marvel really doesn't have any reliabel stats written down so what else is there to use?

Is it possible that no one is jobbing to Thanos but that they simply can't beat him?

Why Supers can't beat him:

Strentgh: Thanos all the way combat feats show that as far as hittign power goes Thanos tops supes.

Speed: I've never seen Thaons move as fast as supes. However Thanos apperantly can't get speed blitzed either by surfer or nova or pretty much any of the herlads. While they might not have been going their max speed we don't know how fast they were going, mayb ethy were going faster than light but for whatever reason Thanso was able to hit them bassically all the time. You call that PIS but Thanos doesn't really seem to have many limitations when it comes to cosmic energy control.

Durability: While I don't belive that Thanos is as durable as Juggernaut, he strikes me as being far more consitently durable than Superman. Once agan the only thing we have are comic book feats.

Fighting Skills: Thanos all the way not only did he outfight Champion but he trained Gamoraa the deadliest assasin in the galaxy.

Another thing you are forgetting is that Thanos has strong mental powers. Not to mention that anything Surfer can do with the power cosmic Thanos can do with his own. In all likely hood Thanos cna just as easily drain Surfer as the other way around.

Logically Thanos shouldnt even be able to hit superman considering that to superman (if written correctly) Thanos would be in slow motion, and considering i have seen thanos get knocked out by a fake thor in the gauntlet series there no reason to think that superman couldnt do the same. I mean think about it if you have a character like superman or gladiator or silver surfer you have to think about their combined stregth and speed. If someone moving 180,000 miles a second ( speed of light ) and had the stregth to lift 100000 tons were to hit Thanos it should be able to kill him, hell it should be able to make him explode, i mean ive seen a log that was flung at speeds of 500 miles an hour (by a tornado) go straight threw a steel door. So you would think if superman was going 180000 miles a second he would bust right threw thanos. But the reason they dont is just because thanos is to bad ass to be takin out by heros of super man or silver surfers caliber, but yes honestly i believe with the advantages they have gladiator, supes or silver surfer should be able to take on thanos.

Originally posted by long pig
Surfer always ends up h2h with Thanos(For unknown reasons), but a bloodlusted Surfer with no pis/cis would never once touch him. Just do his 300x lightspeed while blasting.

the first time Surfer ever met Thanos he used full power cosmic blasts on him to no effect...... that's probably why he doesn't waste his energy on pointless assaults