Actually it does make sense.
If at first you're curious about kiddy porn, but still have the cultural disgust toward it, you won't even think about acting it out.
But, if you watch kiddy porn, it slowly rusts away the natural/cultural disgust, making the act more and more acceptible to you.
Which hightens the chances you are going to attempt it.
Originally posted by The True Fear
There is a bill going through the system in Kansas that will put a 10% tax on porn. The supporters of the bill say that porn is related to sex crimes. What do you think of this?
How can porn be related to sex crimes?
Thats then saying, that before porn there were no sex crimes - which is just not true.
People who chose to watch sick things such as rape or child porn, already had those thoughts - watching normal porn didn't magically turn them into peadophiles and rapists.
Originally posted by long pig
No, it's saying before there were porn, there were less sex crimes, which is true.Of course, there always has been porn, but never the amount there is today.
Untrue.
Sex crimes, such as rape, are exertion of power, it has nothing to do with the pleasure of sex. Rape has been used as a punishment for women thousands of years ago.
As for child molestation - please explain to me how would someone start getting feelings about adolescent boys when he/she is watching grown men and woman having sexual intercourse.
There is absolutely NO evidence that porn leads to sex crimes.
Actually, porn could also be seen as a way of countering desires, as opposed to the creator of desires.
After all, if you watch porn, you already have the desire.
Japan is a prime example, they have mainstream hardcore pornography, and it is perceived as nothing out of the ordinary. They also have a very low rate of sex-related crime.
Originally posted by lil bitchinessSex crimes, such as rape, are exertion of power, it has nothing to do with the pleasure of sex.
Generalisation- it isn't true in every single case. I have no idea why people continue to say this as if it is gospel.
Originally posted by long pig
But, if you watch kiddy porn, it slowly rusts away the natural/cultural disgust, making the act more and more acceptible to you.
Which hightens the chances you are going to attempt it.
My mother never had a clue of the kind of music I like. When she was in my room talking to me and I had Emperor playing, she was a bit taken aback by it. In time, she actually become passively appreciative of the music through casual exposure to it.
Does this increse the chances that she's gonna go out and become a black metal vocalist? No it doesn't.
-AC
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Generalisation- it isn't true in every single case. I have no idea why people continue to say this as if it is gospel.
Because numerous studies have been conducted to suggest such.
Men who have raped other men are hetrosexual in 98% of the cases.
I am waiting for you to provide me with a study or a research which suggest that rape is not exertion of power but is done in the name of pleasure.
Heterosexual males raping males IS about power, eg: Charles Manson.
How does that apply to a heterosexual male, forcing SEXUAL intercourse on a female (the opposite sex)? Which, by it's very nature, is sexual. I'm not denying there's power elements there, but you're obviously treating it like the good book when you say it's nothing to do with sex....which is staggeringly odd.
Numerous studies? Show us these, please. Not that it can possibly prove you right. Because lest we forget your claim that rape isn't about sex, despite it being sex. It's like saying beating someone up isn't about physically hurting them.
Not to be rude, because this is just a passive observation, but you do talk a lot of stats and figures without seemingly backing it up with experience and/or factual info. Granted, power is a factor, but to say sex isn't a factor in sexual intercourse is a bit silly isn't it?
That on top of the fact that all Victor did was say that power isn't the reason in EVERY single case, and by quoting that percentage (of as yet, undetermined credibility) of 98%, you were agreeing with him.
-AC
He said it was a generalisation.
Great majority =/= generalisation.
Rape is an act of violence, not passion. Its an exertion of power, of one person over the other.
How can statistic of 98% be a generalisation? A generalisation of what? Of the 2%?
Im not even gonna bother reading the rest of that post - because tis just probably random guessing mixed with ''i heard this once from someone, so im gonan type it out'' and a bit of your own opinion.
But anyway, while id love to go around looking for articles which YOU can access without having to pay for them, i dont have the will or the time.
But British Crime Survey is free - knock yourself out.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/r159.pdf
women from lower income group are 3 times more likely to be raped than those from higher income group....
55% of rapes occur in victims homes...
etc etc etc...
There is a whole set of rape adns exual assult surves and most of them have ''nature of sexual victimasation'' section.
Here is an article from Syracuse University.
http://sumweb.syr.edu/health/parents_friends/SU%20RC%20ParF%20Bklet.htm
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
He said it was a generalisation.Great majority =/= generalisation.
Rape is an act of violence, not passion. Its an exertion of power, of one person over the other.
Who mentioned passion? Or are you equating passion with sexual urge? Yes, you are. They aren't the same.
It's an act of sexual violence. It is. There isn't any debating this is there? Sexual intercourse achieved through violence. The book opens, the book closes.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
How can statistic of 98% be a generalisation? A generalisation of what? Of the 2%?
Im not even gonna bother reading the rest of that post - because tis just probably random guessing mixed with ''i heard this once from someone, so im gonan type it out'' and a bit of your own opinion.
Why continually post bs and then refuse to read something because, shock, you might have to reply or worse, might not be able to? It's happened before.
You're saying most cases, so it's a generalisation. I've not seen proof for this 98%. I'll assume it's a guess or a projected statistic of a certain area. The Earth is a big place, Milla. 98% of all rapes ever aren't pure violence with no sexual urge. Why are you even trying to prove this? It's SEXUAL INTERCOURSE, how can it NOT be sexual?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
But anyway, while id love to go around looking for articles which YOU can access without having to pay for them, i dont have the will or the time.
Then don't have the will or the time to claim if you can't back it up. Deano does that, I give you more credit than him.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
But British Crime Survey is free - knock yourself out.http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/r159.pdf
etc etc etc...
I'll read this. Then reply accordingly.
EDIT: A lot of stats that may very well be accurate. What are you getting at? The only problem I had with your post was your claim that it's pure power/not sexual 98% of the time. Your link clearly proves you wrong. "Sexual assault" and all that 😉.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
There is a whole set of rape adns exual assult surves and most of them have ''nature of sexual victimasation'' section.
And yet, to you, it's pure power. Not sex. Hmm. Have you thought this through?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Here is an article from Syracuse University.http://sumweb.syr.edu/health/parents_friends/SU%20RC%20ParF%20Bklet.htm
Awesome, an article about general stats in New York. New York = All Earth rapes ever?
"Although every sexual assault survivor’s experience is unique, there are certain things all family and friends of survivors should know to aid in the process of recovery. The survivors who shared their thoughts and ideas with the University R.A.P.E. Center to produce this pamphlet want people in supportive roles to benefit from their insights so the survivor has space in which to go through the healing process.
One of the most fundamental facts about rape is that rape is an act of violence. It is the exertion of power and control over another human being. Many sexual assaults involve threats of bodily harm or other forms of intimidation. In some cases, the person suffers severe physical injury. "
Clearly uses it in a sexual context multiple times. It's sexual intercourse, how can you sanely say it has nothing to do with the pleasure of sex?
-AC
lil's right, the cause of rape is generally connected with wanting power rather then sexual desires, why do you think ugly fat old women get raped much of the time rather then good hot young tight bodied college girls all the time? Granted, there are exceptions, but generally speaking she's correct.
For BackFire:
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Untrue.Sex crimes, such as rape, are exertion of power, it has nothing to do with the pleasure of sex.
Right there is where she said it.
Milla, you claimed it's never about the pleasure of sex. You claimed this? Correct? Yes.
Then you posted an as yet unconfirmed stat that 98% of rapes (somewhere) were purely about power. Even if that were the case, the 2% would mean that you were wrong to claim they are nothing to do with the pleasure of sex. It's sexual intercourse so to claim it has nothing to do with the pleasure of sex on top of proving yourself wrong, is incorrect.
Do you or do you not agree?
For the second time in this thread and for the second time in a few weeks I'm trying to ask you questions regarding an issue and you're dancing and dodging like Roy Jones.
-AC
Porno leads to rape? Whatever!
Porn is a basically Adult Entertainment. And to blame porn for sex crimes is no different than blaming movies, music, comic books, video games and other things for criminal acts. People need to stop pointing fingers and put the blame where it belongs...and that's on the criminal. Oh gee! A rapists drinks a Coke and I also drink Coke...therefore I'm also a rapists...get real.