Originally posted by Disappear
wolverine's actually not. a building was collapsing around archangel, husk and viper (if i'm recalling the issue correctly,) and warren catches a chunk of the falling ceiling spread wide enough to have crushed the entire group had he not stopped it. not only that, but he alone was supporting it, as well as the other remnants of the building that fell on top of it. wolverine is stronger than most people, yes, but not stronger than those who apocalypse decided to play god with, and particularly not warren.
not ever once seen or heard about the issue I realy like to see title and such because form what I seen he no wear near wolverine strength.
Yes, I think his wings are providing stability and possibly easing the weight, but I'd assume his body strength is bracing it for the most part the tons if not tens of tons of mass. Add to that Angel has hollow bones - strong though they are - it is muscular strength that is supporting the weight. I think it's safe to deem that he's very strong and reasonable to say that he's physically stronger than Wolverine.
also, warren mentions sometime within the same issue, i believe, how he has strength more than proportionate to that of the strongest predatory birds (enough to fell a grown man with one blow.) considering the sheer difference in size between an owl (the bird i believe was mentioned) and the fact that his strength expands BEYOND the proportionate increase, he's clearly superhuman. and wolverine, sad to say, doesn't have superhuman strength. "enhanced human," no stronger than captain america or the black panther.
Originally posted by Disappear
nobody said you were. x was just trying to get across that, though the muscles which move his wings have incredible strength to lift and carry aloft almost 700 pounds, warren's "human" frame has considerably superhuman strength, as was the point of the example and this entire argument.
well the the fact that you told me everything i already know on his strength, and you also told me he actually had super-strength, one can infer that you meant what i thought. and paola, everyone uses fanboy in an offense matter, i have been called it with an offensive manner too many times to count, and many others have also.
Archangel doesnt have superhuman strength. Its always been stated in his bios that by using his wings he can lift heavier weights than he could if he tried without them. Its his wings providing the power not his arms. So he doesnt have superhuman strength in th etraditional sense just to clarify. So hand to hand he is NOT stronger than Wolverine.
Yet his wings are just as useful and natural limbs of his as everyones arms, in fact they are even more important to him.
Btw...this Angel/Wolvie strength level contest started just with the comment that Warren has peak human physical attributes (among other traits), which makes him alpha and wolverine8888 denied that.
To get back to topic, can we PLEASE reach a consensus about Warrens and Wolvies already confirmed alpha status???!!! 🙁
Ah yes...the bios. Which are always right. 🙄
In that pic, it looks like that his hands are doing most the work. With the speeds that he flys, his body must be stronger then normal humans. And the bones too, since they are hollow.
And the wings are a weapon too...a goose can break a man's arm with its wings, what can Archangel do? 🙂
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Ah yes...the bios. Which are always right. 🙄In that pic, it looks like that his hands are doing most the work. With the speeds that he flys, his body must be stronger then normal humans. And the bones too, since they are hollow.
And the wings are a weapon too...a goose can break a man's arm with its wings, what can Archangel do? 🙂
Nope his wings are working in addition with his arms to hold up the weight. If that pic showed Warren with his wings folded then you'd have a point about him having superhuman strength in the traditional sense. But he doesnt he has it in wings as has been stated in his bios from his very creation. On top of that this is supported in the scan thats been shown. By using his wings together with his body he can lift superhuman weights. Hand to hand that just isnt the case.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope his wings are working in addition with his arms to hold up the weight. If that pic showed Warren with his wings folded then you'd have a point about him having superhuman strength in the traditional sense. But he doesnt he has it in wings as has been stated in his bios from his very creation. On top of that this is supported in the scan thats been shown. By using his wings together with his body he can lift superhuman weights. Hand to hand that just isnt the case.
AArchangel's primary power is that of flight. His wings have superhuman strength and can create enough lift to enable him to carry at least twice his own weight. They have a very flexible skeletal structure, enabling him to press them to the back of his torso and legs with only the slightest bulge visible under his clothing. His bones are hollow, he processes food more efficiently than normal humans and does not store any fat, he possesses a greater proportionate muscle mass than normal, and his superhumanly sharp eyes can withstand high-speed winds which would damage the average human eye. His lungs can extract oxygen from the air at high velocities or altitudes.While he generally flies below the height of clouds, Archangel can reach almost twice this height with little effort. At his absolute maximum, he can reach the highest recorded altitude of a bird in flight - about the height above sea level of Mount Everest - but he can only remain that high for several minutes. He can fly nonstop under his own power for around half a day.
As the result of a secondary mutation, Archangel also developed a "healing factor" and can heal others by mixing his blood with theirs, although this mutation varies in potency - at times, he cannot aid the terminally wounded, at others he can actually raise the newly dead. Also, in the story which revealed that Nightcrawler is the son of the mutant which is the source of all Satan legends, Archangel attempted to heal Nightcrawler with his blood, which actually harmed Nightcrawler, indicating that Archangel may actually be an angel.
He is at least a peak human.
the term "since his creation" is fundamentally useless at this point, you realize, considering the various manipulations he's gone through in terms of his powers. and, considering he was meant to have above-average strength prior to his advancements by apocalypse, and prior to his life-force nonsense, and prior to his healing blood and all that, there's no good argument that can cite "since his creation" as an applicable point.
aside from that, there's no backing to the "his wings are supporting the weight in that picture" argument, either. were he to be airborne and his wings were the "bracing" force of keeping him in place, the strength of the wings could be used as an argument against his body's physical strength. however, as his wings are spread as a blanket across the stretch of rubble behind him, while his arms, abdomen and legs are all bent into "active" positions (in that the muscles are working, the joints are not locked out, etc,) it's incorrect to say he's no supporting the weight with his body. PARTICULARLY because, in that position, his legs are the "bracing" force upon which all the weight comes down. i could be able to lift several tons with my upper body, but if my lower body was not equally enhanced, i would collapse under the added weight. the same principle applies between warren's wings and his body.
warren's had strength greater than his previous "peak human" levels ever since apocalypse introduced his own cells into the archangel's body. and, considering the next step about "peak human" is, you guessed it, superhuman, warren has superhuman strength. wolverine, by definition, has strength no greater than "peak human," as his muscle tissues would simply heal and operate at "peak" levels at all times.
Originally posted by DisappearTrue. And I'll reiterate, Warren's bones are hollow, his strength to lift/brace a structure is derived from musculature rather than from his bones.
PARTICULARLY because, in that position, his legs are the "bracing" force upon which all the weight comes down. i could be able to lift several tons with my upper body, but if my lower body was not equally enhanced, i would collapse under the added weight. the same principle applies between warren's wings and his body.