who are alpha level mutants?

Originally posted by Disappear
...aside from that, there's no backing to the "his wings are supporting the weight in that picture" argument, either. were he to be airborne and his wings were the "bracing" force of keeping him in place, the strength of the wings could be used as an argument against his body's physical strength. however, as his wings are spread as a blanket across the stretch of rubble behind him, while his arms, abdomen and legs are all bent into "active" positions (in that the muscles are working, the joints are not locked out, etc,) it's incorrect to say he's no supporting the weight with his body. PARTICULARLY because, in that position, his legs are the "bracing" force upon which all the weight comes down. i could be able to lift several tons with my upper body, but if my lower body was not equally enhanced, i would collapse under the added weight. the same principle applies between warren's wings and his body.

it's not even complicated science. it's just gravity...

alpha level mutants that are so underated Multipuleman, Sebastian Shaw and Exodus so close to being Omega just need to develope secondary mutantations

you don't evolve from alpha to omega. you're either one or the other. secondary mutations won't change your classification, they'll simply further your intended evolution, be it alpha (example: the beast,) or omega (examples: kid omega and iceman.)

Originally posted by Dr.Fate
alpha level mutants that are so underated Multipuleman, Sebastian Shaw and Exodus so close to being Omega just need to develope secondary mutantations

How is Multiple Man close being a omega?

Or Sebastian Shaw?

Enlighten me.

they're not. Dr. Fate just doesn't fully understand the concept of an omega-level mutant.

Shit, I don't fully understand the concept of an Omega-level mutant.

So, it's only those who Apoc likes, or with a wide variety of powers?

Either the concept doesn't mean much, or it's outdated.

Okay there not close to being Omega. I thought Omega was just a really powerful mutant. I now know its apparently some kind of mutant that has the potential to be a Phoenix or something like that but hey I get it I was wrong. But still Multipuleman, Sebastian Shaw and Exodus are Alpha right

Cyclops and Havok have access to an unlimited source of power, on that whatever plane of energy where they derive their powers from right? they are alphas but could they not be Omegas for the above reason? On similar threads its kinda led to the fact that an Omega is the potential to exist beyond or whatever... anyway thats my 2 cents

I read that information from some Marvel directory on the net.

cyclops is confirmed by xavier to NOT have omega-potential in x-men: forever. havok, though sinister agrees his power is greater than scott's, would've been pointed out as an omega by now. he's also been referred to as an alpha, though i cannot for the life of me recall where, and no alpha is an omega. also, both need the sun to exercise their powers. neither can function without exposure to the sun's light or solar radiation, so their power source is hardly "infinite," if you think about it.

Madison Jeffries and Lionel Jeffries are Omega level mutants. Hell, Lionel puts Elixir to shame with his abilities and he was Omega level

Originally posted by Disappear
it's not even complicated science. it's just gravity...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Madison Jeffries and Lionel Jeffries are Omega level mutants. Hell, Lionel puts Elixir to shame with his abilities and he was Omega level

Some Alpha mutants can take Omega mutants. Like Elixir for instance, he's pretty powerful, but Cyclop's blast or Storm's lightning would take him. His powers aren't offensive, at least not for now...

And for those whose saying the Summers brothers are Omega, I don't think so. One to be omega must have reach the point to transcend over life. Just like Jean Grey or Bobby who is in ice form forever...

cyclops is a confirmed alpha. havok's done nothing to prove himself an omega, his superior (living monolith) is a confirmed omega and was one of the twelve, and he was one of the chosen in the AoA. box and scramble have great powers, but nothing to prove they're omegas. and since omega is meant to be the rarest classification ever, and lionel's dead, and madison's off doing who knows what where nobody cares, i highly doubt anyone would venture to tag them "omegas" at this point...

edit: havok was actually "forgotten" by apocalypse. so there's another strike against that theory.

Originally posted by RisingStorm
Some Alpha mutants can take Omega mutants. Like Elixir for instance, he's pretty powerful, but Cyclop's blast or Storm's lightning would take him. His powers aren't offensive, at least not for now...

No I mean Lionel Jeffries powers are far stronger than Elixir's. Lionel had the power to transmute flesh and bone, alter one's mind and raise people from the dead. He was on a higher degree than Elixir was.

Oh Earthmover is said to be a omega level equilivant on a mystic magic level.

Originally posted by Disappear
box and scramble have great powers, but nothing to prove they're omegas. and since omega is meant to be the rarest classification ever, and lionel's dead, and madison's off doing who knows what where nobody cares, i highly doubt anyone would venture to tag them "omegas" at this point...

Yes they have, everything Elixir did Lionel did on a much higher degree and had way more versilitlity [I will explain all the things he could do shortly]. Madison just created an entire sentinel army as well as a new master mold in Weapon X: Days of Future Now. They are indeed omega level, wether someone wants to tag them or not.

omegas are not defined by power level! lionel could have better powers than elixir's, but that doesn't mean he has the infinite potential of an omega; which foley does. box might be able to do just about anything he could want when it comes to synthetics, but that doesn't make him an omega. mikhail rasputin had all the power he could imagine; still not an omega. cable made himself into a GOD on earth; still not an omega. they might be able to hold their own against certain omegas, but that doesn't make them omegas. i mean, (hypothetically) i might be able to hold my own against kobe on a basketball court, but that doesn't make me black. they're completely separate concepts.

Not necessarily due to the entire Alpha Flight run they consider the brothers to be very special and very rare. Living Monolith and Cyclops have similar powers but one is stronger than the other. Lionel is stronger than Elixir and can do much more than he can. Box/Madison is up for debate but Lionel is definetly omega calibur.

Madison Jefffries by his own doing destroyed the mutant populance in North America and put humankind in "observation camps". Alpha Flight is truely underated.

"omega" is not a caliber based on strength or skill. lionel could turn elixir into a semi-sentient pile of horseshit, and elixir would still be omega while scramble is not.

living monolith and cyclops don't have similar powers, by the way. living monolith and havok do, with LM being the superior mutant, and BOTH are still alpha. xavier's telepathic powers were superior to quentin quire's, but xavier is still an alpha (of his own admission,) while quire is an omega. xavier was also superior to jean grey for the majority of the x-men chronology, despite jean being an omega. the "omega" classification is not based on ability strength at any one point in a mutant's existence, nor on a comparative strength level between any two mutants of any particular classification.

Originally posted by Disappear
"omega" is not a caliber based on strength or skill. lionel could turn elixir into a semi-sentient pile of horseshit, and elixir would still be omega while scramble is not.

living monolith and cyclops don't have similar powers, by the way. living monolith and havok do, with LM being the superior mutant, and BOTH are still alpha. xavier's telepathic powers were superior to quentin quire's, but xavier is still an alpha (of his own admission,) while quire is an omega. xavier was also superior to jean grey for the majority of the x-men chronology, despite jean being an omega. the "omega" classification is not based on ability strength at any one point in a mutant's existence, nor on a comparative strength level between any two mutants of any particular classification.

That's quite a good post actually.