Franklin Richards vs. Molecule Man

Originally posted by Wonder Man
Ahh but the one thing that all the heros seem to be afraid of is reality. Theyre all viaing to see who can get closest to the very fabric of it. Who has the most influence on it and what not.
I mean if you look at what M.M. does and who he and the Beyonder speak with. All those entities trying their hardest to survive. Then along comes Franklin Richards...and the F.F. being marvels premier book it comes as no surprise that they would load their own gun.
M.M would be on the defensive immediatly. And i love the guy. However Franklin would be able to imprison him within himself if he felt like it.
We gotta go with this earth being the primary thing of everything great and small.
Franklin so far is the greatest power ever. He'd beat the Beyonder eventually and he might well toppel the One Above All.
Being on earth is the greatest gift there is. Being one of the powerful on earth makes you more important than anyone else.
Today Franklin is top dog anywhere as far as i can tell.
He should, with a little luck and people like Reed and Cap protecting him have the necessary time to develope his powers for the benift of all things.

Of course my theory about Richards all hings on what his powers are. If indeed he is just a telepathic reality weilder then his powers are just great maybe just vastly beyond M.M. who at this time basicly is like cause and effect plus the physcial universes powers.
However is indeed he is developing into a young man who weilds reality itself and it has occured on the very place of origin; and if he is the original and the first one at that then that would indeed make Franklin worth even my attention.

Good post, smart and realistic

Does even Franklin has any powers right now? Even if he has his powers there's no way he could beat Owen. Franklin is just a mutant with reality warping powers and if his powers can be burn out so easily do u think he really have a chance against one the the most powerful beings in the multiverse?

A another thing is that it is easy to block/cancel out mutant powers!

its not easy to block out franklin's power and what are u talkin about! his powers dont burn out at all, even after resurrecting galactus when every one thought that he had burned his powers out, he hadnt, they were just bein held back by his own mind he still retains all his soft psi powers and doesnt use the more powerful ones because he and reed believe that they can wipe out existance or sumthing

and please dont tell me that molecule man could resurrect galctus or creat universes

Dude, IMO EVEN IF Franklin had his powers (which doesnt have right now), he would still loose !!!

How...... Owen just comes around and disintegrates his head, the child is too stupid to know so !!!

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
Dude, IMO EVEN IF Franklin had his powers (which doesnt have right now), he would still loose !!!

How...... Owen just comes around and disintegrates his head, the child is too stupid to know so !!!

Precisely.

People please dont be so naive. Its not just about power its also about skill and experience. Noones doubting that Franklin is more powerful than MM however Franklin has little to no experience with high end application of his power. For the majority of the time since hes had his powers hes had dampeners placed around them and on top of that hes been powerless for quite some time now. Plus you must consider hes only a child. Yes Franklin is more powerful but with a thought hes stripped down to his component molecules. Game over.

Xavier made Franklin his b*tch and noones doubting hes dwarfed in power by lil Franklin. MM would rock the kid.

About Franklin Richards powers, they easily go above Molecule Man (I dont have problem seeing FR go beyond Galactus, and nature of FR powers offers him to go far beyond someone as Galactus), but the point is that when FR was creating alternate realities, he didnt even know it, his experience is nothing, no experience. How do we know he would know to use his powers. He probably wouldnt as a child against MM. He did subsequently, maybe against MM he wouldnt even do that. He as a child had already greater power than Molecule Man and than 95% or more beings in Marvel Universe, but he would lose the fight as a child to MM.

Originally posted by Xplosive
About Franklin Richards powers, they easily go above Molecule Man (I dont have problem seeing FR go beyond Galactus, and nature of FR powers offers him to go far beyond someone as Galactus), but the point is that when FR was creating alternate realities, he didnt even know it, his experience is nothing, no experience. How do we know he would know to use his powers. He probably wouldnt as a child against MM. He did subsequently, maybe against MM he wouldnt even do that. He as a child had already greater power than Molecule Man and than 95% or more beings in Marvel Universe, but he would lose the fight as a child to MM.

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Precisely.

People please dont be so naive. Its not just about power its also about skill and experience. Noones doubting that Franklin is more powerful than MM however Franklin has little to no experience with high end application of his power. For the majority of the time since hes had his powers hes had dampeners placed around them and on top of that hes been powerless for quite some time now. Plus you must consider hes only a child. Yes Franklin is more powerful but with a thought hes stripped down to his component molecules. Game over.

Xavier made Franklin his b*tch and noones doubting hes dwarfed in power by lil Franklin. MM would rock the kid.

uhm, isnt creatin alternate universes without realizin a HIGH END APPLICATION? or how about resurrecting galactus?! stop this stupidity gs, even u should know that mm doesnt have a chance in HELL.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
uhm, isnt creatin alternate universes without realizin a HIGH END APPLICATION? or how about resurrecting galactus?! stop this stupidity gs, even u should know that mm doesnt have a chance in HELL.

For a start it was a pocket universe. Do i need to get Wynndar on here to finally and conclusively sh*t you up?

You need to understand its not just about power. Its about experience as well. Creating a pocket universe is a high end feat however Franklin never did it consciously as was made quite clear in the comics. If you asked him to create another pocket universe for you at the drop of a hat he couldnt because he wouldnt know how. It was done subconsciously. He has all that power but not a clue how to use it. On top of that he has had dampeners on fo rmost of his life and hes been powerless for a very long time now. The conscious application of his powers resulting in high end feats i svirtually non existent. That is what you need to understand. Yes hes more powerful, noone sdenying that , but with a thought hes dispatched by MM. Game over.

Ive used this example before. Its like a civilian in a state of the art fighter jet versus a trained fighter with a missile launcher. Who do you thinks gonna win?

u even heard explosive say it he was creatin REALITIES, nuthin was mentioned of them being POCKET. and dont u think franklin would have realized it when he ws in them. secondly u say hes had no expirience and hashad dampeners on for the most of his life ARE U FREAKIN KIDDIN ME GS. he aged himself and time travelled, grew up, aged, won many battles with the power pack and saved many realities. then he came back to the real world and psionically reduced his age. please dont tell me he doesnt have a clue on how to use them, ALSO when he resurrected galactus he did it KNOWINGLY AND CONCIENCOUSLY. n u saying that if sum1 told him to create another universe he wouldnt be able to do so is COMPLETELY ur own oppinion.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ive used this example before. Its like a civilian in a state of the art fighter jet versus a trained fighter with a missile launcher. Who do you thinks gonna win?

depends if its a harrier jump jet... those things are soo easy arnie can fly them... 😛

If you were to say, "Thanos with Franklin Richard's powers vs. Molecule Man", all your points would be perfectly valid - Franlin Richards operates on a higher power level than Molecule Man.

But it's not "Thanos with Franklin Richard's power", or even "Xavier with Franklin Richard's powers", it's "six year old Franklin Richards with Franklin Richard's powers". That, to me, is the difference maker in this fight.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
u even heard explosive say it he was creatin REALITIES, nuthin was mentioned of them being POCKET. and dont u think franklin would have realized it when he ws in them. secondly u say hes had no expirience and hashad dampeners on for the most of his life ARE U FREAKIN KIDDIN ME GS. he aged himself and time travelled, grew up, aged, won many battles with the power pack and saved many realities. then he came back to the real world and psionically reduced his age. please dont tell me he doesnt have a clue on how to use them, ALSO when he resurrected galactus he did it KNOWINGLY AND CONCIENCOUSLY. n u saying that if sum1 told him to create another universe he wouldnt be able to do so is COMPLETELY ur own oppinion.

Im not denying he created realities but they were only pocket realities, not proper ones. You need to learn that.

The fact that it was stated that he created the pocket universe subconciously on panel and that since then or before then he's never consciously used his power to pull of anything remotely near that feat highly suggests he couldnt create a pocket universe at th edrop of that hat.

He has no true experience with his powers despite being more powerful he will lose in my opinion. Dont get mad because i dont share yours thats just pubescent. 🙄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Im not denying he created realities but they were only pocket realities, not proper ones. You need to learn that.

The fact that it was stated that he created the pocket universe subconciously on panel and that since then or before then he's never consciously used his power to pull of anything remotely near that feat highly suggests he couldnt create a pocket universe at th edrop of that hat.

He has no true experience with his powers despite being more powerful he will lose in my opinion. Dont get mad because i dont share yours thats just pubescent. 🙄

whatever

Did anybody name GS vs. Leon as a rivalry on the rivalry thread?

Originally posted by demigawd
Did anybody name GS vs. Leon as a rivalry on the rivalry thread?

nope, i gave up on that stuff realizin just how hopeless gs was.{was fun while it lasted though}

Originally posted by leonheartmm
uhm, isnt creatin alternate universes without realizin a HIGH END APPLICATION? or how about resurrecting galactus?! stop this stupidity gs, even u should know that mm doesnt have a chance in HELL.

GS knows that FR powers are beyond MM. But what he can do, I mean he is a child, I wouldnt be suprised if normal human would come to him and kill him with knife. His only chance would be to somehow get really scared of MM and do something in his mind, to make MM disapper, gone or something, which could come true and dispatch MM, but MM has much greater chance to defeat young Franklin, due to experince.
and like Demigawd said, if it would be Thanos with FR powers, than MM wouldnt be even a challenge.

this fight is like giving a child a gun agianst an adult. while the child has more power the adult could easily take the weapon away from the child because he doesnt know what to do with it.

FRs powers are not beyond that of the MM there's simply no evidence.