Franklin Richards vs. Molecule Man

but franklin has proven to be more than just a scared lil kid hasnt he, i believe he defeated mephisto in his realm although i cant be sure of this.

Originally posted by Molecule man
FRs powers are not beyond that of the MM there's simply no evidence.

Far beyond.

sure he is a powerful being but still just a mutant. If some device can block his powers then MM won't have any trouble with him.

And please don't say that FR potential is celestial level, MMs true potential might be IG level

Originally posted by Molecule man
FRs powers are not beyond that of the MM there's simply no evidence.

They really are.

The cube beings are between the skyfathers and the likes of the Vishanti /Galactus/Celestials. Franklin Richards full power is said to be Celestial level.

If you want evidence of the cube beings place in the hierarchy then refer to F4 Annual 23.

I know youre going to say MM is the most powerful of the cube beings but thats only because of the way he applies his powers (not an actual higher amount of power) which is the result of his human mind as opposed to the other cube beings.

The cube beings can warp reality over a global scale. Franklin can create pocket universes. He has a far higher power level however he is a child and can not consciously use his power to do such things. Therefore MM wins.

Originally posted by Molecule man
sure he is a powerful being but still just a mutant. If some device can block his powers then MM won't have any trouble with him.

And please don't say that FR potential is celestial level, MMs true potential might be IG level

franklin richard's potential is not AT celesial level, its far greater, on the other hand mm is a cosmic cube n not the most powerful one at that anyway, and as such is below beings like celestials{who FR far surpasses} and galactus and definately does not have the potential of the infinity gauntlett.

in the infinity wars mephisto said that a cosmic cube without any restrictions is equal to the IG

Cosmic Cubes are bellow Celestail, its obvious and clear, so therefore MM is bellow Celestial. Celestail wouldnt have trouble of defeating someone as MM. MM sure is powerful, but not in league of Celestial. But FR is known that he would be on par with Celestail or more.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
franklin richard's potential is not AT celesial level, its far greater, on the other hand mm is a cosmic cube n not the most powerful one at that anyway, and as such is below beings like celestials{who FR far surpasses} and galactus and definately does not have the potential of the infinity gauntlett.

MM is the most powerful of the cube beings and we really don't know how powerful FR would be at full potential or MM.

We really shouldn't speculate in potential but current status. High Evo, Reed Richards and Doom all of them could build some device to cancel out mutant powers so FR isn't really all that

Originally posted by Molecule man
MM is the most powerful of the cube beings and we really don't know how powerful FR would be at full potential or MM.

We really shouldn't speculate in potential but current status. High Evo, Reed Richards and Doom all of them could build some device to cancel out mutant powers so FR isn't really all that

MM full potential is far bellow FR. MM full power would be far bellow FR.

Originally posted by Xplosive
MM full potential is far bellow FR. MM full power would be far bellow FR.

no evidence it is just your opinion

No, MM already with all his expereince and using power hasnt close shown power level of young Franklin. Like GS said, FR has a far higher power level.

MM have never been using his powers to their full potential (low self confidence, thought he couldn't effect organic molecule etc)

He did show some of his true potential in the fight against Beyonder in annual FF 27.

In their current status MM eats FR for breakfast LOL

Originally posted by leonheartmm
franklin richard's potential is not AT celesial level, its far greater, on the other hand mm is a cosmic cube n not the most powerful one at that anyway, and as such is below beings like celestials{who FR far surpasses} and galactus and definately does not have the potential of the infinity gauntlett.

Leon for the last time. Franklins full potential is STATED ON PANEL to be Celestial level. Stop fabricating Leon. I have asked all the F4 buffs on here and they dont know what the hell youre talking about. So stop.

Yes Franklin is more powerful than MM. Just leave it at that.

Originally posted by Molecule man
in the infinity wars mephisto said that a cosmic cube without any restrictions is equal to the IG

I have all of Inifinity Wars in digital format. Point me to the bit where he says that and i'll post a scan in minutes. 🙂

i don't remember where but im sure that he did say that somewhere

Originally posted by Molecule man
no evidence it is just your opinion

There is plenty of on panel evidence. The cube beings are below the Celestials in the hierarchy. In fact they are insects in comparison as per F4 Annual 23. Franklin at full potential is Celestial level as also stated on panel. Thats all that needs to be said on the matter.

MM is more powerful than the other cube beings because of how his human mind allows him to apply his powers, NOT because he can generate more energy then them. Either way in his battle with Beyonder he wasnt significantly beyond him or the other cube beings. On top of that Kubik stated that the cube beings were insects in comparison to a Celestial. So there you have it. Accept his limitations and lets move on.

MM wins.

maybe Kubik meant the whole celestial race and not a single celestial

Originally posted by Molecule man
i don't remember where but im sure that he did say that somewhere

I dont remember and i read it just a few months ago. I certainly would've made a mental note if something as potentially hierarchy shaking as that was mentioned. I didnt therefore thats a fabrication. No matter. MM wins this battle anyway so no need for that.

Originally posted by Molecule man
maybe Kubik meant the whole celestial race and not a single celestial

No because he specifically said A celestial. I'll look for a scan on my pc. Gimme 5 mins. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Leon for the last time. Franklins full potential is STATED ON PANEL to be Celestial level. Stop fabricating Leon. I have asked all the F4 buffs on here and they dont know what the hell youre talking about. So stop.

Yes Franklin is more powerful than MM. Just leave it at that.

ok just answer me this, plainly, can a single celestial resurrect galactus and give balance back to eternity{n im not mentionin the universe creation cause ull just dismiss it}