Nazi Sympathizers Plan Rally

Originally posted by FeceMan
Now, let me stress that this is a HYPOTHETICAL question. It's not really happening, but I was faced with a choice regarding this decision. Tell me your views on this.

Issue:
Far-right-wing Nazi supporters plan to stage a rally in the city center tomorrow, giving voice to their violent, racist views.

Argument A:
"Frankly, I'm appalled that the government can even consider allowing this travesty to go ahead," says prominent Jewish banker Charles Longfellow. "We can't let these animals broadcast their message of hate. Surely [we are] too civilized for that."

Argument B:
"It's exactly because we're civilized that we must let the demonstration proceed," says free speech campaigner Lars McGuffin. "We may not like what they have to say, but in this society, people have the right to argue whatever political view they want, no matter how hateful, selfish, or stupid it is."

I side with A. What do all of you think of this?

I side with A too, ofcourse in Belgium this would not even be a question: Thank god for that law

Good point about Hitler BD

Originally posted by FeceMan
*Pokes Capt.*

I've always considered Hitler very conservative simply because of the racist, hateful views that he espoused were so comparable to those like the Dixiecrats. And today, whenever we hear about intolerance, it's always the Christian far right-wingers who are stirring up trouble. Thus, we have all come to associate one side with one set of ideals and the other with a totally different set (hence the mini-tirade in my signature).

You don't think a democrat can be racist? In fact, sometimes making excuses for a minority is just as silly and counter productive as outright hitting them in the face.

As for your pity for Spelljammer, don't pity him. He could be better informed...it's just too much work. He's lazy. Don't pity that.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You don't think a democrat can be racist? In fact, sometimes making excuses for a minority is just as silly and counter productive as outright hitting them in the face.

As for your pity for Spelljammer, don't pity him. He could be better informed...it's just too much work. He's lazy. Don't pity that.

But it's a different type of Racism...one that Hitler wouldn't agree on 😐

there is a difference between racism and destroying more than 5 million people because they have a different faith and so on...

Originally posted by Bardock42
But that is just one part, if you look at the role of the State then yes Hitler would be a "Liberal" ....if you look at Human Rights, Patriotic and Nationalistic Beliefs he'd be "Conservative" ....if you look at most other things he wouldn't be either....

You're addressing the situation like a fox news correspondant. National pride isn't solely the right of the conservative. Human rights, well...that is a touchy subject I can't even begin to approach. Hitler was crazy...human rights were at teh very center of his cause...it's just too bad that he considered 80 percent of teh planets population to be less than human.

True, and ofcourse not all nationalists or patriots are conservatives. But I think when you look at parts of Hitler his nationalistic idea's I'd consider that conservative.

But as BD said on a lot of other points he was pretty left wing

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You're addressing the situation like a fox news correspondant. National pride isn't solely the right of the conservative. Human rights, well...that is a touchy subject I can't even begin to approach. Hitler was crazy...human rights were at teh very center of his cause...it's just too bad that he considered 80 percent of teh planets population to be less than human.

I am not talking aboot national pride, but preaching country-fanboyish-fanatism......the Fox Correspondant did hurt by the way....

Yes, well i didn't mean human rights..more hjuman freedom....or...well i don't know....

You mean the ideas of enlightenment Bd

Originally posted by Fire
You mean the ideas of enlightenment Bd

Do I?

By the way just you know I refuse to accept that because of the Liberal Ideas the Liberals have...not the Socialist 😛

Well if you look at the principle ideas of enlightenment it's a lot of those things Hitler (and a lot of other facists) hate

A: All people are equal <=> Their are/there is a natural leader(s) among us

B: All people should be free <=> The leader should decide for the people because he knows best

Ofcourse you disagree with those.

Originally posted by Fire
Well if you look at the principle ideas of enlightenment it's a lot of those things Hitler (and a lot of other facists) hate

A: All people are equal <=> Their are/there is a natural leader(s) among us

B: All people should be free <=> The leader should decide for the people because he knows best

Ofcourse you disagree with those.

True.

Although CF has a poiont in saying that Hitler agrees with "All People are Equal" but that he decides what people are.......

nah, he still makes a difference between the normal people and the leader class.

Remember his speech about how the german people were lucky they found him (dunno which one it was but it is quite famous)

Originally posted by Fire
nah, he still makes a difference between the normal people and the leader class.

Remember his speech about how the german people were lucky they found him (dunno which one it was but it is quite famous)

If you mean Facism by that it sure does, it's a quintessential element of Facism

Originally posted by Fire
If you mean Facism by that it sure does, it's a quintessential element of Facism

lol, don't worry, they've been pooring in info about facism in my brain for the last two weeks at uni. When you talk about the politics of the interbellum and the second world war it comes up a lot.

Originally posted by Fire
lol, don't worry, they've been pooring in info about facism in my brain for the last two weeks at uni. When you talk about the politics of the interbellum and the second world war it comes up a lot.

No Shit 😛

Politics ion germany are too sad...there are way to few Liberal Movements.....

I think we can safely assume that Hitler was a nut. He had varying views on issues, but also his own that don't conform with any of the parties/ideologies.

I always find that my own views don't conform with any of the designated groups, and are more a collection of various parts of each.

I think the groupings are reductive and non-representative anyway. They are just a practical solution.

yea and Merkel still hasn't found a decent government.

Just a few excerpts from his speeches:

"Simultaneously with this political purification of our public life, the Government of the Reich will undertake a thorough moral purging of the body corporate of the nation. The entire educational system, the theater, the cinema, literature, the Press, and the wireless - all these will be used as means to this end and valued accordingly. They must all serve for the maintenance of the eternal values present in the essential character of our people. Art will always remain the expression and the reflection of the longings and the realities of an era. The neutral international attitude of aloofness is rapidly disappearing. Heroism is coming forward passionately and will in future shape and lead political destiny. It is the task of art to be the expression of this determining spirit of the age. Blood and race will once more become the source of artistic intuition.... "

"Great are the tasks of the national Government in the sphere of economic life."

"We want, too, to restore to the German intelligentsia the freedom of which it has been robbed by the system which has hitherto ruled. In parliamentarianism they did not possess this freedom. We want to liberate Germany from the fetters of an impossible parliamentary democracy - not because we are terrorists, not because we intend to gag the free spirit. On the contrary, the spirit has never had more violence done to it than when mere numbers made themselves its master. "