Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
No, I guess you're right. He doesn't condemn them. None of them. Because by NOT specifically saying that liars and adulterers are bad, he has given a rubber stamp of approval to all of them. That's kind of silly Fece, don't you think?It's selfish because you care little for those left behind. It's all just gimme what I earned by being a good christian, so what that my brother is suffering under the anti-christ's hellish rule. Or forget my best friend, he's not here because he disagreed about the specifics of the rapture. It's selfish.
But you don't care if they are as long as you got in under the magical wire that is the rapture. Ummm...damn, sorry you guys are catching all this hell, but we'll be here when you're finished in seven years and hopefully the light has clicked on for you guys and you can join us.
It's selfish stupidity because he doesn't care. For people like him, being a christian and preaching about it is a matter of him being right and everyone else being wrong. I understand that you stepping in and erplying to my post is a matter of course for you to defend your religion. But I wasn't directing these points at you. And now, he won't respond to them because you've done it for him "in a way much better than he ever could have".
Not really. All he does is comdemn and preach and condemn and preach. That makes him one of the hypocrits that are bad christians.
That's great. But I'm not Alliance. I'm not trying to discredit christianity. I could not care LESS which religion someone subscribes to. It isn't until someone throwns their version of reality in my face and cendemns me for not believing exactly what he or she says that I take issue. There's a difference between someone like yourself, maybe not condoning homosexuality but accepting it as a reality and a person like Nwellinator who responds to it with "OH!...You're going to heeeelllll! I'm tellin' on you!" It's banal.
You think I wouldn't care about those left behind? You obviously do not know me. I have actually prayed to God that I be left behind if the rapture occurs in my lifetime. Therefore, your argument against me is baseless and wrong. You made a false assumption based on your prejudice against Christians.
Once again, I want to be left behind.
I do care about people, a lot. It is one of the main characteristics I try to portray on this site, and if you read what I wrote across the forums you would probably no this. You are only person that has ever said otherwise. In fact, I would say I am good standing with many of the non-Christians on the forum. I do not agree with you so you assume I am a bigot, a hater, ignorant, etc. You apparently have read little of what I say on these forums. I rarely use Bible quotes, I rarely preach, so stop lying and get over your anger because it is not productive or right. Feceman worded it better than I would have. Mostly, I feel because you made personal attacks on me that would have influenced my rebuke negatively. However, I try to maintain self-control.
Condemn and preach? I already addressed this and you are very wrong about me.
I am open to the ideas of my people and things. However, it is you who is angered by me not agreeing with you. So sorry, try again. I have never told anyone they are going to hell, so you have lied and made a blind and false assumption about me. You discredit yourself with such false claims. Save your judgements for when you have a basis to them, or facts and evidence to back it up rather than anger and prejudice.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Congratulations on a brilliant retort the equivalent of "Is not," and "I know you are, but what am I!"
Originally posted by Bardock42
Look.Christianity is based on the Bible - fact
The Bible is a book of fiction - factChristianity is based on a book of fiction, that might through interpretation contain the truth.
q.e.d.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
Spoiler:
See, it's fun.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You know why it's getting old? Because that's what you've been calling yourselves for the last 2000 years. I guess baby Jesus should have said Lemmings of God, but even he knew they didn't really throw themselves off those cliffs into the ocean below.
Feel free to get specific with me. I like details.
Exactly, which should clue all you guys in to the fact that you may not have a copyright on the "truth" of the situation.
No, I guess you're right. He doesn't condemn them. None of them. Because by NOT specifically saying that liars and adulterers are bad, he has given a rubber stamp of approval to all of them. That's kind of silly Fece, don't you think?
It's selfish because you care little for those left behind.
It's all just gimme what I earned by being a good christian,
so what that my brother is suffering under the anti-christ's hellish rule.
Or forget my best friend, he's not here because he disagreed about the specifics of the rapture. It's selfish.
Yes, for those few that got all the specifics right and jumped through all the right hoops. Look back on the statment about the rapture. What happens to you if you're wrong and others are right? Does that mean you'll just happily accept your membership among those left behind?
How many times must I go over this? A dozen? Two dozen? I continue explaining that those who are saved are SAVED and that salvation CANNOT BE LOST. The interpretations about events like the Rapture don't matter overall!
Neither do I. Maybe the all knowing Nellinator can enlighten us.
But you don't care if they are as long as you got in under the magical wire that is the rapture. Ummm...damn, sorry you guys are catching all this hell, but we'll be here when you're finished in seven years and hopefully the light has clicked on for you guys and you can join us.
Is that wrong? Yes. Absolutely. I know it is, but I won't lie about how I feel. Would I prefer that everyone be saved? Overall, yes, I would. Are there some people who are saved who seem as though they deserve the Tribulation while others who are not saved who don't seem as though they deserve the Tribulation?
Of course. Would I take some pleasure in their suffering those seven years? Yes. But I cannot extend grace in the measure that God has.
It's selfish stupidity because he doesn't care. For people like him, being a christian and preaching about it is a matter of him being right and everyone else being wrong. I understand that you stepping in and erplying to my post is a matter of course for you to defend your religion. But I wasn't directing these points at you. And now, he won't respond to them because you've done it for him "in a way much better than he ever could have".
Not really. All he does is comdemn and preach and condemn and preach. That makes him one of the hypocrits that are bad christians.
That's great. But I'm not Alliance. I'm not trying to discredit christianity. I could not care LESS which religion someone subscribes to. It isn't until someone throwns their version of reality in my face and cendemns me for not believing exactly what he or she says that I take issue. There's a difference between someone like yourself, maybe not condoning homosexuality but accepting it as a reality and a person like Nwellinator who responds to it with "OH!...You're going to heeeelllll! I'm tellin' on you!" It's banal.
Well, perhaps you and Nellinator could open your own thread to compare and contrast your differeing views on christianity. The mutual admiration society is in full swing now but get to one of those life and death issues like meat on friday and watch the christian fur fly.
Not at all. But they're christians. In fact, they happen to be the first christians that got it all WRONG! Don't make the mistake of condemning only catholics in teh race to the christian finish line. There are half a dozen different sects of christianity, all of whom think they're right and every other christian is wrong....on top of all those other religions that, to quote the kid from Jesus Camp, "make me feel all icky in my soul".
One of the most major issues I, personally, have with christianity is that every one of them agrees that Jesus was a good man who preached the word of god, and then decided to spend the next 2000 years killing and condemning because they couldn't quite figure out HOW he said it.
Truth isn't all that objective...and lack of it certainly is not. Reality is up for debate. And don't accuse me of getting on any high horses. Your friend is almost always the first to do that. And calling me boy is certainly doing that.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Christianity is based on the Bible--fact.
The Bible is the divinely inspired word of God--fact.
Kay, lets pretend those are facts.
Garden of Eden. Fact or Fiction?
Noah's Ark - Fact or Fiction?
God creates the world in seven days, humans are already there Dinosaurs never are - Fact or Fiction?
God destroys Leviathan - Fact or Fiction?
It has fictional parts. It is a work of fiction. I am not saying it is not truth due to interpretation. But the world is older than the Bible states. Many events did not happen.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Every human who as ever walked on the Earth has gotten here because of sex. If you can control sex, you have real power over people. Religions in the past, have used this power to make the powerful rich. Homosexuality brakes this control, and that is why religion is against it.
Makes more sense than any other argument on these forums.
Unfortunately, Race and Sex have been the means through which people classify, discriminate, and organize people.
I can't beleive that those who hold sexist beleifs (patriarchy, homophobia, heterosexism) can't see thier own involvment in this cyclical bigotry.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Every human who as ever walked on the Earth has gotten here because of sex. If you can control sex, you have real power over people. Religions in the past, have used this power to make the powerful rich. Homosexuality brakes this control, and that is why religion is against it.
Originally posted by FeceMan
There's a difference between having a differing opinion because something in the Bible is unclear rather than ignoring/misinterpreting chunks of it.
So, you believe that homosexuals have been condemned by god and are not going to be "caught up" in the rapture?
Originally posted by FeceMan
I'm not quite sure where you're getting the idea that I wouldn't care about my friend or my brother.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Capt, those being left behind have given me little to care about.
Yes, I wonder where I got that idea indeed.