On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

being gay is not a sin. it is not our fault we are the way we are. no one chooses to be gay. if we chose to be gay, we would chose not to get married, not to have kids, be spat on and treated like second class citizens. why would we want to be treated like that?
gay people cant be with members of the other sex, because they are attracted to them.
a straight person cant be intimate with someone of their sex, not because they beleive it to be wrong, but because there is no attraction.

if god made us all, why did he makes us gay? we should blame god for making us the way we are.

people do not chose to be gay, nor do people chose to be mentally ill, or have cancer etc. it is life, it happens, we dont not chose for it to happen.

and if being gay is a sin, love must also be a sin. gay people love each other, and if them being gay in sinful, being in love must be a sin also, right?

That was said very well....

thank you. it is just frustrating, especially to gay people, to get religious folk to understand that we do not choose to be the way we are.

it is about attraction, not choice.

Originally posted by debbiejo
That was said very well....

No it wasn't.

Originally posted by cking
God didn't create Adam and Steve, but Adam and eve.

Agreed.

God didn't create Adam and Steve, but Adam and eve.

Personally I think that religions should take care of more important things, than the way you like to have sex.

God didn't create Adam and Steve, but Adam and eve

Homosexuality is natural and widespread in almost every mammal species.

As far as sin goes, morality is strictly a human creation. It doesn't exist in the animal world or the divine world.

God is not moral or ethical, those are human emotions and ideals we attach to something that is not.

Originally posted by Tex
Homosexuality is natural and widespread in almost every mammal species.

As far as sin goes, morality is strictly a human creation. It doesn't exist in the animal world or the divine world.

God is not moral or ethical, those are human emotions and ideals we attach to something that is not.

Animals don´t really have sexual preferences, they just do what they are supposed to. We can´t say that an animal is homosexual, or lesbian. Homosexuality is a human creation just like moral and ethics.
I agree with you that moral and ethics is a human creation, and it should not have anything to do with a DIVINE god, but I think religions are more focused on morality, than spirituality itself. Religions exist to make people who depends too much on morality fell that the mundane things they depend on, have some greater meaning. Just like trying to give a divine importance to homosexuality.

Originally posted by Evanescence
being gay is not a sin. it is not our fault we are the way we are. no one chooses to be gay. if we chose to be gay, we would chose not to get married, not to have kids, be spat on and treated like second class citizens. why would we want to be treated like that?
gay people cant be with members of the other sex, because they are attracted to them.
a straight person cant be intimate with someone of their sex, not because they beleive it to be wrong, but because there is no attraction.

if god made us all, why did he makes us gay? we should blame god for making us the way we are.

people do not chose to be gay, nor do people chose to be mentally ill, or have cancer etc. it is life, it happens, we dont not chose for it to happen.

and if being gay is a sin, love must also be a sin. gay people love each other, and if them being gay in sinful, being in love must be a sin also, right?

Oh.. my God, the whole concept of sins, is flawed. Being gay is just a sexual preference and does not have anything to do with spirituality, it is about morality. If it is right to be gay, than it just means that it is ethically right to be gay, it is a very mundane thing. And look, I´m not saying that is wrong to be gay, I´m just saying that it does not has any spiritual meaning. Unfortunately, religion deals more with morality than spirituality.

IT IS A SIN

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Animals don´t really have sexual preferences, they just do what they are supposed to. We can´t say that an animal is homosexual, or lesbian. Homosexuality is a human creation just like moral and ethics.
I agree with you that moral and ethics is a human creation, and it should not have anything to do with a DIVINE god, but I think religions are more focused on morality, than spirituality itself. Religions exist to make people who depends too much on morality fell that the mundane things they depend on, have some greater meaning. Just like trying to give a divine importance to homosexuality.

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Originally posted by Freaky Zeeky
No it wasn't.

and what have your sort said in this debate?

using the bible to say that being gay is a sin will not hold uop much longer. not everyone believees in the bible, you know.

do you think gay people ask and/or want to be treated the way they are?

Originally posted by JLRTENJAC
IT IS A SIN

I have seen a lot of good reasons why it isn't a sin, or at least that it is very hypocritical and silly if it is. So do you have a reason for you claim?

Sunday, when I went to church, a special guest had a sermon and he was mike Haley and he was a former homosexual. He gave life experiences as both a homosexual and Christian. He talked about when he was a toddler, he never had a father figure and all he had was his sister and mother. when was spoiled alot and he never did the things his father wanted him to do and he was pressured by his father to play football and other things that boys his age play. He was sexually abused by other men and instead of being hurt by it he actually liked it. He said that was a need he had never met in his life because he never had a father figure. when that happened, he started being a homosexual for 12 years. But when the problem got worse, he started talking to his pastors about it, but they didn't know what to say in this situation. after countless tries, he gave up. he said when he was gay, he had no trouble with his fellow friends in the gay community. He said while he was in the Church, many people had different ideas about him and he was turned down when he tried to get back into church after he figured out his problem. He said when he was a homosexual he said he was ashamed that he turned from god and living a secret life. He said you must be in a homosexual shoes if you want to know the whole truth. He said when he was a homosexual he said he was in gay parades and gay beaches and bars. He said he still misted a need in his life. He said he use to life weights, take steroids, to look good for the other guys. He said he never could really talk to his family because of his sin. He said that when he was younger he did more of girly things then what boys did at his age. He said it is never genetic, it is a known syndrome, but I don't know what it is called but it can start homosexuality. It was caused because he never had a father figure, and that is why parents should be both father and mother, a child would learn from both genders instead of one and that is what happened to him he learned from one gender instead of both and that his why he became womanlike and gay. His sexuality was never a man but a woman. This is why there is homosexuals. He said that people make excuses that people can't help it. He actually went to a counselor and he said that you can't help it that is the way you were made. But he said that wasn't the truth and he wanted more answers. He said he finally got it solved when he found a mentor who was from a church and he helped with his problem. Mike said that when he started his first year, he didn't have sex with a man in one year. After that things went smooth for mike and his homosexuality was overcame with prayer and help from friends who had the courage to help him.

Sexual orientation, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual does not appear to be something that one chooses. Studies indicate that sexual orientation has a genetic or biological component, and is determined before or shortly after birth. Like heterosexuals, gays and lesbians discover their sexuality as a process of maturing; they are not recruited, seduced or taught to be homosexual.

According to the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association, homosexuality is not an emotional or mental disorder:

Gay people grow up in all types of homes, with all types of families. They represent every socioeconomic, ethnic, and religious background possible. "There is evidence that parents have little to no influence over the outcome of the sexual orientation of their children under normal upbringing conditions." However, the attitude of a parent can influence the way a child chooses to relate to his or her sexuality, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual.

Consider that many people suffer from all types of abuse and neglect as children, yet grow up to be heterosexual. Many people, both heterosexual and homosexual, have had bad experiences with a person of the opposite sex. There is no correlation between any of these occurrences and homosexuality.

Since homosexuality is not a disease or disorder, there is nothing to cure. A few therapists claim that they can rid gay people of their homosexual desires, but their methods remain extremely questionable and rarely, if ever, have resulted in permanently changing anybody's sexual orientation.

According to the American Psychological Association, no scientific evidence exists to support the effectiveness of any therapies that attempt to convert homosexuals to heterosexuals. The American Psychological Association Executive Director Dr. Raymond Fowler also states that "Groups who try to change the sexual orientation of people through so-called conversion therapy are misguided and run the risk of causing a great deal of psychological harm to those they say they are trying to help."

The American Academy of Pediatrics states: "Therapy directed at specifically changing sexual orientation is contraindicated, since it can provoke guilt and anxiety while having little or no potential for achieving changes in orientation."

The American Medical Association "does not recommend aversion therapy for gay men and lesbians. Through psychotherapy, gay men and lesbians can become comfortable with their sexual orientation and understand the societal response to it."

The American Psychiatric Association states: "There is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of reparative therapy as a treatment to change ones sexual orientation." The American Psychiatric Association also states: "gay men and lesbians who have accepted their sexual orientation positively are better adjusted than those who have not done so."

Originally posted by Preciousdagger
I wanted 2 know what yall thought about gay people. (An no I'm not gay I just have no problems)

Is being gay a sin?

God made me gay...

Enough said 🙂

So does that mean God is a sinner?

he was a Christian all his life. He tried to hide it when he was a homosexual, if you heard from him, because he has experience as a homo then you would be surprised by the results. He suffered because he never had a father. Homosexuality is not a disease and he even said this, it is very hard to explain but if you could listen to him and everyone else would things would be different. I feel sorry for the guy through.

God doesn't make people gay, if he did then he would create Adam and Steve instead of Adam and eve.