On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Originally posted by FeceMan
Because it's the word of God, both eternal and unchanging?

because no one has ever contested translations of the bible

Originally posted by FeceMan

I'm sorry that you think that a few people who persecute homosexuals represent the majority.

I live in the US. Around here, yeah they do. It is very very scary.

Originally posted by FeceMan

I could give you some reasons why atheism makes me sick, but I won't.

actually I would like to hear this. If you could post it without being overly rude I'd be willing to hear you out.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
because no one has ever contested translations of the bible

I live in the US. Around here, yeah they do. It is very very scary.

actually I would like to hear this. If you could post it without being overly rude I'd be willing to hear you out.

Summed up in one sentence, my main problem with atheism is:

Atheism promotes moral relativism.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Atheism promotes moral relativism.

No, it doesn't. Come on man, that's not too far off from the bible saying that homosexuality is sinful and you translating the bible to fit your belief that there's nothing sinful about homosexuality or vice versa. You can go on believing that acting on that homosexual nature is sinful, ect but it's not the point.

If you truely believe that all morality originates from god and that morals are lost on those who don't subscribe to your ideals of god, then don't present your opinion as one that is enlightened through consideration of the human condition, much less human diversity.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Summed up in one sentence, my main problem with atheism is:

Atheism promotes moral relativism.

As atheism does not entail any specific beliefs outside of disbelief in God, atheists can hold a wide variety of ethical beliefs, ranging from the moral universalism of humanism, which holds that a moral code should be applied consistently to all humans, to moral nihilism, which holds that morality is meaningless.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Do not lecture us on what sin is.

Why not ? You religious folk lecture the rest of us on what sin is all the damn time

Originally posted by FeceMan

Maybe in the particular area where you live.

No its kind of a nation wide problem. You see there are these people called RE-PUB-LI-CANS that happen to control the judiciary and executive branched of our goverenment. They are mostly homophobic psychos.

Originally posted by FeceMan

Considering you said that religion sucks, I find my ability to do as you have stated difficult.

you misunderstand me I perfer athiesm. I have no real problem with religious people except when they declare me to be evil due to my beliefs.

Originally posted by FeceMan

Atheism promotes moral relativism.

and thats bad how?

Considering you said that religion sucks, I find my ability to do as you have stated difficult.

Summed up in one sentence, my main problem with atheism is:

Atheism promotes moral relativism.

Though I do love people on an individual level, what I find discusting about Christians (as was my former belief), is that if someone is hurting, instead of lending a helping hand, they will quote a frickin scripture for your pleasure. How passive is that?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
No, it doesn't.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
As atheism does not entail any specific beliefs outside of disbelief in God, atheists can hold a wide variety of ethical beliefs, ranging from the moral universalism of humanism, which holds that a moral code should be applied consistently to all humans, to moral nihilism, which holds that morality is meaningless.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Why not ? You religious folk lecture the rest of us on what sin is all the damn time

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No its kind of a nation wide problem. You see there are these people called RE-PUB-LI-CANS that happen to control the judiciary and executive branched of our goverenment. They are mostly homophobic psychos.

Allow me to help:

Shut up. That is a dumb thing to say. You will not say this dumb thing in the future. Bad poster. Naughty, naughty poster.

you misunderstand me I perfer athiesm. I have no real problem with religious people except when they declare me to be evil due to my beliefs.

and thats bad how?

Originally posted by FeceMan
I find it reprehensible.

Well golly gee mister FeceMan that sure does make it evil!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well golly gee mister FeceMan that sure does make it evil!

However, I never said it was evil in the first place.

you said athiesm made you sick (close enough)

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
you said athiesm made you sick (close enough)

Somewhere between the two of you, reality exists.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
As atheism does not entail any specific beliefs outside of disbelief in God, atheists can hold a wide variety of ethical beliefs, ranging from the moral universalism of humanism, which holds that a moral code should be applied consistently to all humans, to moral nihilism, which holds that morality is meaningless.

Which disgusts me the most about Atheism. A belief system that has no objective morality just becomes anarchism.

Originally posted by theendisnear
Which disgusts me the most about Atheism. A belief system that has no objective morality just becomes anarchism.

most religions do not have an objective morality

in fact none do all religious morality is subjective based on the teaching of its leaders

if anything athiests have more room to be objective about right and wrong

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Somewhere between the two of you, reality exists.

I think this deserves a "lol pwned."

Anyway, why is theendisnear banned? Aside from--I assume--general stupidity?

Originally posted by peejayd
* same as Christianity in the Bible preaches the sin of homosexual acts, but not the homosexual person itself... 😉

The Bible says that homosexuals should be put to death, though. 😠

Originally posted by FeceMan
Debbiejoe is between our posts.

Horray all hail Debbiejoe

If she has the truth we are all in big trouble

Originally posted by FeceMan
Debbiejoe is between our posts.

I think this deserves a "lol pwned."

Anyway, why is theendisnear banned? Aside from--I assume--general stupidity?

Originally posted by The Wishmaster
The Bible says that homosexuals should be put to death, though. 😠

Originally posted by Nellinator
In the words of Feceman: n00b

The verses stating that we are to put homosexuals to death--actually, it is the act of homosexual intercourse that was cause for death, not the homosexuality, though that is largely irrelevant with regard to this question--are part of the Law, a set of rules given to the people devoted to God. The Law was communicated through angels and the purpose was to set apart those who followed God from those who did not. Included in the Law were animal sacrifices as a means to atone for sin and cleanse uncleanliness caused by violations to the Law. However, with the sacrifice of Christ, Christians are no longer bound to the Law because Christ was the perfect sacrifice and gave us the gift of salvation, whereby our sins are forgiven forever--for those of us who choose salvation, that is. Those who do not are under the wrath of God, but that's a matter for another thread.