On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Started by SpearofDestiny274 pages
Originally posted by anaconda
so Marchello how is it to be gay and not really know it yet?

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*["then it must be your brain."]

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*["and you know this based on WHAT?! lmao. you cudnt be more wrong about me in your description. the fact that i neither judge nor find anything wrong or abnormal about casual sex/sex without marriage or strings attached/homosecuality does not mean i have to practice those things..."]

***My opinions are based on the authority of the scriptures. Too, I am not addressing only you...but all who hold the opinions that you hold because they are in direct opposition to the dictates of the scriptures and, as such, are wrong.

I am truly sorry that you "neither judge nor find anything wrong or abnormal about casual sex/sex without marriage or strings attached/homosexuality." The fact that you DON'T judge nor find anything wrong means that you give tacit approval of it's practices whether you, personally, practice them or not...you can't have it both ways...it is EITHER right or it is wrong.

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*["im 20 and for your information, still have not had sex. not to mention, im rather unselfish about such things, and have liked a certain sumbody{female} for the last 3 and a half years, WITHOUT having any form of sex. i more than understand true love. more so than you possibly ever could..."]

***That's nice...I'm happy that you know a nice girl and have not had sex with her. That shows that you have respect for her. I do hope that you will find real love for her and marry her...then you will have all the marital sex you want...and it will be with the blessings of God.

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*["that still doesntm meant there is anything wrong with casual sex or sex before marriage or one night stands or homosexuality. true, i do not do those things because i dont feal like it, but that is no reason to condemn others."]

***Every opinion is predicated on some CRITERION. What is the STANDARD for your opinion? What I am asking is...how did you arrive at the conclusion that "it doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with casual sex or sex before marriage or one night stands or homosexuality?" I think that is a legitimate question and I would appreciate an answer...because it will tell me why you come to the conclusions that you come to.

You say that you do not do these things because you don't "feel like it."
This means that you WOULD do it if "you felt like it"...because you DON'T feel it is wrong [your words]. The bottom-line here is that you have no concept of what sin is...that is why don't "see" the perversion in homosexuality. Too, that is why you don't condemn.

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*["your only definition of love is loving your sick interpretation of god and in so doing, hating and fealing you are above most of the humans that inhabit this earth and do not see the world is as mentally sick a way as you do..."]

***Your opinion of the "sickness" of my interpretation of God is just that...opinion. What is the CRITERION of your "opinion?" Opinion is NOT a valid indicator of anything unless it is backed by facts...otherwise it can be affected [i.e., by digestion, stomach gas, heartburn, etc.].

Jesus Christ is the embodiment of love...and we [believers] do not hate and feel we are above anybody [i.e., self-righteous] as non-Christians allege we are. Christians are redeemed SINNERS...have NO righteousness of their OWN. The righteousness that we possess is the righteousness IMPUTED to us by Jesus Christ who ransomed us by His blood at Calvary. There is NO RIGHTEOUSNESS apart from that. The love that we bring is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That, unfortunately, is NOT what the world wants to hear and is "foolishness" to them [1 Corinthians 1:18]. Too, they interpret it as HATE. The world HATED the Lord Jesus Christ when He was here...and they HATE the Christian because the Christian is "one" with Christ Jesus. The world HATES Christ and the Christian and would CRUCIFY Him again if given the opportunity...and THAT is NOT a PERSECUTION COMPLEX as some non-Christians allege...it is a FACT.

However, you are correct about the fact that most humans don't "see" the world as "mentally sick a way" as I do. However, I must add, that the way I see the world is not my way of seeing it...it is the Bible's way of seeing it.

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*["also, you shud know, that most people here {specially kali} jokingly place more emphasis than the place in reality on the purely lustful aspect of sex. its humour, and even if it were the absolute truth, thered be nuthing wrong with it other than the absence of true fealing..."]

***So then...to you it's all about "feelings"...the FLESH. One can engage in anything...as long as there is no absence of true "feelings." Someday, my friend, you will get old...die...and the FLESH will fall from your bones...and you WILL meet that "imaginary God" that you have railed against in your youth. What will you tell Him then?

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*["...NO1 claims it to be love, just a pleasureable mutually benefitial expirience for two people.].

***Dogs don't claim it to be love either...just a mutually beneficial experience for two dogs.

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*["how can u point out my SIN??..."]

***By our words.

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*["yes i can. scripture holds no validity in the world of facts and science. fact is there is no anatomical difference between anal sex between two males or a male and a female. hence you=fail..."].

***you=fail? Are you a disciple of Nelliator?

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*["there is no such thing as NORMAL sex, an imaginary god has no authority on the subject. sex is sex, physical and/or emotional pleasure based in sexual practices as by yourself or another gender that you are sexually aroused by. they are more than equateable."]

***How would you know about sex at all since (by your own admission) you've NEVER HAD ANY? That's really DUMB! In point of fact, you shouldn't be talking about sex at all because you know NOTHING about it.

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*["lol. no comeback, AWWWW.

***You know NOTHING about sex...you are a virgin...you just make noise with your mouth, young man. You have NO credibility at all. There is no need for a "comeback" to one who is completely ignorant of the subject at hand.

Marchello

Marcello you need to get laid 👇

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tsk tsk

and you know this based on WHAT?! lmao. you cudnt be more wrong about me in your description. the fact that i neither judge nor find anything wrong or abnormal about casual sex/sex without marriage or strings attached/homosecuality does not mean i have to practice those things..."][/B]

***My opinions are based on the authority of the scriptures. Too, I am not addressing only you...but all who hold the opinions that you hold because they are in direct opposition to the dictates of the scriptures and, as such, are wrong.

I am truly sorry that you "neither judge nor find anything wrong or abnormal about casual sex/sex without marriage or strings attached/homosexuality." The fact that you DON'T judge nor find anything wrong means that you give tacit approval of it's practices whether you, personally, practice them or not...you can't have it both ways...it is EITHER right or it is wrong.

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i dont like blue berries. that doesnt mean there is anything wrong with blue berries, and i shudnt go on condemngin them for the wrest of the world. its my preference, but you are right, i give approval of such actions. i never said i did not. they are not wrong. and scripture has for the most part proven to be wrong, so it holds no validity. as such u can not base your opposition on it. unless you can come up with logical reason for it, please desist from posting.


*["im 20 and for your information, still have not had sex. not to mention, im rather unselfish about such things, and have liked a certain sumbody{female} for the last 3 and a half years, WITHOUT having any form of sex. i more than understand true love. more so than you possibly ever could..."]

***That's nice...I'm happy that you know a nice girl and have not had sex with her. That shows that you have respect for her. I do hope that you will find real love for her and marry her...then you will have all the marital sex you want...and it will be with the blessings of God.

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just so you know, respect doesnt have to be with the absence of sex. its just that, sumtimes it is, as in my case. i do want to marry her, but again, that is the way this SPECIFIC situation turns out{hopefully} , again, marriage isnt a need, and u can have love without it. blessings of god are the last thing on my radar. i dont beleive in any traditional version/conceptions of god. most definately not yours.


*["that still doesntm meant there is anything wrong with casual sex or sex before marriage or one night stands or homosexuality. true, i do not do those things because i dont feal like it, but that is no reason to condemn others."]

***Every opinion is predicated on some CRITERION. What is the STANDARD for your opinion? What I am asking is...how did you arrive at the conclusion that "it doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with casual sex or sex before marriage or one night stands or homosexuality?" I think that is a legitimate question and I would appreciate an answer...because it will tell me why you come to the conclusions that you come to.


how do you come to the conclusion that sesx outside marriage is wrong? can you give me any evidence outside scriptures which hold no logical authority in my eyes? it is a natural urge. marriage is just a social construct and more often than not doesnt even represent commitment as i think it shud. most marriages are unhappy afer the first 3-5 years. half end up in divorce in places where women have freedom of thoguht. so whats ur point? homosecuality does not harm others. it fulfills one's desires which might not be for the opposite sex but fot the same. keeping such desires clogged up can be very harmful for your mind and your life plus those around you. it does not have any specifically harmful sideaffects. it brings many people happiness as opposed to supression which brings suffering. one night stands help to releive your sexual tensions and often make people feal better. if one uses protection, there isnt much to fear about. supression can also lead to rape etc which is worse.


You say that you do not do these things because you don't "feel like it."
This means that you WOULD do it if "you felt like it"...because you DON'T feel it is wrong [your words]. The bottom-line here is that you have no concept of what sin is...that is why don't "see" the perversion in homosexuality. Too, that is why you don't condemn.

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that depends. if i wasnt hurting any1, {i.e. i wasnt in a marriage or committed to sum1} and assuming i DID feal like having one night stands, then yes i would{fat chance btw}. no i have a concept of what YOU define as sin and i find no reason to beleive that your beleif is correct and many reasons to beleive that it is logically wrong. many people define many things as perversion, put them on logical criteria and they have nuthing to back those claims except the fact that they go against the norm. that is why i dont condemn.


*["your only definition of love is loving your sick interpretation of god and in so doing, hating and fealing you are above most of the humans that inhabit this earth and do not see the world is as mentally sick a way as you do..."]

***Your opinion of the "sickness" of my interpretation of God is just that...opinion. What is the CRITERION of your "opinion?" Opinion is NOT a valid indicator of anything unless it is backed by facts...otherwise it can be affected [i.e., by digestion, stomach gas, heartburn, etc.].

Jesus Christ is the embodiment of love...and we [believers] do not hate and feel we are above anybody [i.e., self-righteous] as non-Christians allege we are. Christians are redeemed SINNERS...have NO righteousness of their OWN. The righteousness that we possess is the righteousness IMPUTED to us by Jesus Christ who ransomed us by His blood at Calvary. There is NO RIGHTEOUSNESS apart from that. The love that we bring is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That, unfortunately, is NOT what the world wants to hear and is "foolishness" to them [1 Corinthians 1:18]. Too, they interpret it as HATE. The world HATED the Lord Jesus Christ when He was here...and they HATE the Christian because the Christian is "one" with Christ Jesus. The world HATES Christ and the Christian and would CRUCIFY Him again if given the opportunity...and THAT is NOT a PERSECUTION COMPLEX as some non-Christians allege...it is a FACT.

However, you are correct about the fact that most humans don't "see" the world as "mentally sick a way" as I do. However, I must add, that the way I see the world is not my way of seeing it...it is the Bible's way of seeing it.

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my oppinion is backed up by the fact that your god has absurd commandments which are not backed up by logic. he also has noonsensical criterion for judgement which have no logical bases. his attributes as defined in scriptures and self contradictory and his personality egotistical/sadistical/cruel/selfish and whatnot. if he exists, his existance brings in much sufferig and very little benefits to the world. he lets the world continue on the terrible coarse it does. in short, he is no god which needs to be worshipped or even praised.

yes you do have a persecution complex. you like JIA think that you are inherently evil{silly idea} because of some nonsensical fairytale ignorant men wrote eons past in a silly book. you say you do not hate others but your actions show otherwise.

the way you see the world is sick, and if indeed that is the way scriptures see it too, then the author of the scriptures was mentally sick.


*["also, you shud know, that most people here {specially kali} jokingly place more emphasis than the place in reality on the purely lustful aspect of sex. its humour, and even if it were the absolute truth, thered be nuthing wrong with it other than the absence of true fealing..."]

***So then...to you it's all about "feelings"...the FLESH. One can engage in anything...as long as there is no absence of true "feelings." Someday, my friend, you will get old...die...and the FLESH will fall from your bones...and you WILL meet that "imaginary God" that you have railed against in your youth. What will you tell Him then?

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no, fealings mean emotions/mind as well as body. i find the absense of "fealings"{as i define above} negetive but not deserving of banning the practice completely. after all a message or a warm bath might cater to nuthing more than your physical fealings but there is nuthing wrong with that. and physical fealings are more connected with emotional fealings than perhaps you are aware of. read a lil biopsychology.

if ever meet this god of yours, i will not have to tell him anything outside how much of a hypocrite he is.


*["...NO1 claims it to be love, just a pleasureable mutually benefitial expirience for two people.].

***Dogs don't claim it to be love either...just a mutually beneficial experience for two dogs.

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so, you are claiming that dogs are wrong in doing so? 😛 . lol. and you say you do not hate, but equating people with differing oppinions to dogs proves otherwise my friend 😉


*["how can u point out my SIN??..."]

***By our words.

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lol, but you were wrong werent you. admit it. lying is a sin. you wrongly asssumed i did the things you accused me of 😄 {even if i dont find anything wrong with them}


*["yes i can. scripture holds no validity in the world of facts and science. fact is there is no anatomical difference between anal sex between two males or a male and a female. hence you=fail..."].

***you=fail? Are you a disciple of Nelliator?

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no, nellinater is a christian. i am definately not. infact we argue to much to ever be on the same side. and i am right aint i, there is no anatomical difference between anal sex in hetro or homo couples. see thats a LOGICAL argument. if u made one like it, u might have reason to advocate on thing. but currently you dont.


*["there is no such thing as NORMAL sex, an imaginary god has no authority on the subject. sex is sex, physical and/or emotional pleasure based in sexual practices as by yourself or another gender that you are sexually aroused by. they are more than equateable."]

***How would you know about sex at all since (by your own admission) you've NEVER HAD ANY? That's really DUMB! In point of fact, you shouldn't be talking about sex at all because you know NOTHING about it.

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lmao. i cud turn the tables with that line of argumentation. marchello how can YOU know about anal sex with other men when youve never had it?! why dont u just accept what kali tells u about it? lol. however UNLIKE that parallel, your reason to oppose it is based on illogical interpretation of illogical scrptures. i can actually reason, there is more to sex than just the physical act of sex. and please do elaborate on how, HAVING sex wud help tell me what is NATURAL and what is NOT NATURAL in sex? after all, if sex=reproduction is takenm as the criteria for natural, than celibacy is unnatural, as are people who can not reprodice and continue to have sex, as are people who have babies and have sex, as is birth contorl, as is oral/anal or any other form of sex. answer this one if u can.
*["lol. no comeback, AWWWW.


***You know NOTHING about sex...you are a virgin...you just make noise with your mouth, young man. You have NO credibility at all. There is no need for a "comeback" to one who is completely ignorant of the subject at hand.

🙄 . so all knowledge of sex is gained in a flash of revelation the first time one HAS sex? 😆

*["...if u read the bible properly you will notice that it controdicts it self sevrel times! "]

***Really? Would you please show me where it contradicts itself?...inquiring people like to know those things.

Marchello

MARCELLO IS GAY AND HE HAD ROUGH ANAL SEX WITH JESUS !!!

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THEN HE GAVE SATAN A BLOWJOB ! THEN GOD JOINED IN ! AND TOGETHER THEY ALL RAPED THE VIRGIN MARY !!!! MmMmMmmmMmm....BLISSSSS !!!!!!!

Was Marchello the giver or the *****?

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*["i dont like blue berries. that doesnt mean there is anything wrong with blue berries, and i shudnt go on condemngin them for the wrest of the world. its my preference, but you are right, i give approval of such actions. i never said i did not. they are not wrong.."]

***Bad analogy...blue berries are GOOD even if you don't like them...so you CAN'T condemn them anyway. However, HOMOSEXUALITY is FILTH...pure unadulterated FILTH...and it and those who practice it are BOTH FILTH and, as such, should be CONDEMNED. Too, those who practice it should be put to DEATH because they are worthy of DEATH.

The reason that you give your approval of HOMOSEXUALITY is because you are an unrepentant sinner...and don't want to acknowledge the God of the universe even though He is decernible through His handiworks in creation. You do not want to honor Him nor give thanks to Him...and have become futile and godless in your thinking with vain imagings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations...and your senseless mind has become darkened. Because of this you have become a FOOL...a blithering IDIOT and the glory and majesty of the immortal God is exchanged for the worship of IDOLS [i.e., money, pleasure, etc.]...and so God has given you [and others like you] up in the LUSTS of your own heart...to CONDONE and PARTAKE in sexual IMPURITY...to the dishonoring of your bodies among yourselves...so God has given you and them over to a REPROBATE mind. BOTTOMLINE: You approve of HOMOSEXUALITY because you have a REPROBATE mind and can do NOTHING that is GOOD...you cannot distinquish between GOOD and EVIL...and call EVIL "good"...and GOOD "evil"...

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*["...and scripture has for the most part proven to be wrong, so it holds no validity..."].

***You're brain dead. You apparently don't read the daily newspapers or watch alot of news on TV (you've got to quit watching bugs bunny and daffy duck). The news is replete with news of wars and rumors of wars...the regathering of the people of Israel back in their land...the Palestinian problems and the Arab conflict...which are ALL prophecied in DETAIL in the Bible. There is NO DOUBT about what is happening in the world...and what the OUTCOME of ALL of this will be. The REAL Christians know, without a doubt, what is going to transpire and how it will end...for we have the scriptures to tell us. You are an IGNORANT person and BLIND to reality because of your UNBELIEF. The world is running headlong toward Armageddon and YOU with them.

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*["just so you know, respect doesnt have to be with the absence of sex..."].

***You are one confused puppy! Not only do you disrespect her as a person if you have sex BEFORE marriage...but worse yet...she degrades herself by permitting you to violate her.

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*["how do you come to the conclusion that sesx outside marriage is wrong? can you give me any evidence outside scriptures which hold no logical authority in my eyes?..."].

***I will not even try to reason with you from the scriptures for you are BLIND to them because of your unbelief. You are a DEAD man...a walking CORPSE...you hear NOT...and see NOT. Too, even if I could prove it "outside" of the scriptures...it would not make any difference to you because you really don't WANT to know the truth...because you FEAR it...no matter WHAT THE SOURCE!!

Marchello

If this topic just becomes an excuse for people to throw insulting and/or inflammatory comments at each other, I will close.

So cut out stuff like that spam, SOD, and Marcello, if you only want to preach, and not discuss, then you have no business posting here.

*["...So cut out stuff like that spam, SOD, and Marcello, if you only want to preach, and not discuss, then you have no business posting here"]

***I may preach...but I don't use profanity on these boards...however, Spear of Destiny has repeatedly used it and has not suffered any consequences for it. Too, He has said terrible things about my Lord Jesus and only gets a warning for it. I don't call that equal treatment. True, you could pull the "switch" on me at any time...however, if that is the price I have to pay for my beliefs---so be it and I apologize not for it.

BOTTOMLINE: It is not the profanity and spam that is the real objection on this board...it IS the preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Him crucified that is the objection. If you feel that I am a threat to the "tranquility" of those who participate on this board...then you can "pull the plug"...but I will not temper my remarks about what I feel and believe to be true as delineated in the Bible. So do what you have to do if you wish...for I am NOT greater than my Lord.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
[B]*["...So cut out stuff like that spam, SOD, and Marcello, if you only want to preach, and not discuss, then you have no business posting here"]

***I may preach...but I don't use profanity on these boards...however, Spear of Destiny has repeatedly used it and has not suffered any consequences for it. Too, He has said terrible things about my Lord Jesus and only gets a warning for it. I don't call that equal treatment. True, you could pull the "switch" on me at any time...however, if that is the price I have to pay for my beliefs---so be it and I apologize not for it.

BOTTOMLINE: It is not the profanity and spam that is the real objection on this board...it IS the preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Him crucified that is the objection. If you feel that I am a threat to the "tranquility" of those who participate on this board...then you can "pull the plug"...but I will not temper my remarks about what I feel and believe to be true as delineated in the Bible. So do what you have to do if you wish...for I am NOT greater than my Lord.

Marchello [/B]

banned

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
banned

We can only hope. However, he does have a point. SOD should check his "crudeness" at the door. A little respect will go a long ways. However, again, why would Marchello have any need to stick up and be defensive about what other people think about his god? If his god is truly as powerful as is claimed, he should be able to take care of himself.

Originally posted by Marchello
[B]*["...So cut out stuff like that spam, SOD, and Marcello, if you only want to preach, and not discuss, then you have no business posting here"]

***I may preach...but I don't use profanity on these boards...however, Spear of Destiny has repeatedly used it and has not suffered any consequences for it. Too, He has said terrible things about my Lord Jesus and only gets a warning for it. I don't call that equal treatment. True, you could pull the "switch" on me at any time...however, if that is the price I have to pay for my beliefs---so be it and I apologize not for it.

BOTTOMLINE: It is not the profanity and spam that is the real objection on this board...it IS the preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Him crucified that is the objection. If you feel that I am a threat to the "tranquility" of those who participate on this board...then you can "pull the plug"...but I will not temper my remarks about what I feel and believe to be true as delineated in the Bible. So do what you have to do if you wish...for I am NOT greater than my Lord.

Marchello [/B]


Marchello, did you ever wonder why Nellinator and I don't get into trouble?

It's because what you do is borderline trolling. You post Bible verses and engage in debate, but you eschew rationality and ignore any cogent arguments that disprove whatever it is you're rambling about. Then you sit there and scream at people, calling them "perverters of the Word" and "defilers" and "abominations."

Yeah.

Speak the Word, speak it as Truth, but speak it with gentleness and mercy.

Originally posted by Marchello
[B]*["...So cut out stuff like that spam, SOD, and Marcello, if you only want to preach, and not discuss, then you have no business posting here"]

***I may preach...but I don't use profanity on these boards...however, Spear of Destiny has repeatedly used it and has not suffered any consequences for it. Too, He has said terrible things about my Lord Jesus and only gets a warning for it. I don't call that equal treatment. True, you could pull the "switch" on me at any time...however, if that is the price I have to pay for my beliefs---so be it and I apologize not for it.

BOTTOMLINE: It is not the profanity and spam that is the real objection on this board...it IS the preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Him crucified that is the objection. If you feel that I am a threat to the "tranquility" of those who participate on this board...then you can "pull the plug"...but I will not temper my remarks about what I feel and believe to be true as delineated in the Bible. So do what you have to do if you wish...for I am NOT greater than my Lord.

Marchello [/B]

If you are seriously saying that you will carry on making posts like that no matter what I say then yes, I will ban you immediately.

Your choice.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
If you are seriously saying that you will carry on making posts like that no matter what I say then yes, I will ban you immediately.

Your choice.

***Then ban me permanently.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
***I may preach...but I don't use profanity on these boards...however, Spear of Destiny has repeatedly used it and has not suffered any consequences for it. Too, He has said terrible things about my Lord Jesus and only gets a warning for it. I don't call that equal treatment. True, you could pull the "switch" on me at any time...however, if that is the price I have to pay for my beliefs---so be it and I apologize not for it.

BOTTOMLINE: It is not the profanity and spam that is the real objection on this board...it IS the preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Him crucified that is the objection.

Are you really asking for equal treatment in the post after supporting the death penalty for homosexuals? That is failure total.

No, that is not the reason at all. You base that statement in ignorance of reality.

Originally posted by Marchello
***Then ban me permanently.

Marchello

😂

Marchello down, JIA to go.

I apologize for my last statement on this thread, it was idiotic and over the line.

Delete it if anything. Marcello is banned. Good for KMC 🙂

Profile For Marchello Date Registered: Sep 25th, 2006

Ha! How silly. Banned on the 5th of December, 2007. That was a year and 2 months after he started his trolling behavior. Did it really take a year to figure out the guy was a sock/troll? Really, I'm curious! He has talked shit about every group under the sun and been allowed to get away with it because he says it's his religious right to do so.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I apologize for my last statement on this thread, it was idiotic and over the line.

Delete it if anything. Marcello is banned. Good for KMC 🙂

What about your last 500 statements?