On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Originally posted by Devil King
You act like platitudes are an unsubstantial substitue.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Virgin

being Gay?bi is not a sin you cant cange the way you are

Originally posted by The Mean Queen
being Gay?bi is not a sin you cant cange the way you are

Yes, you can change the way you are. There is almost NO behavioral trait that we can't change about ourselves, regardless if we had genetic predispositions to them.

To say otherwise is to say that you are weak willed and it insults the power of the human mind. I know two.....TWO!!! people who WERE homosexual males but decided that they wanted to be Christians of a church that condoned homosexaulity. They are now both married and one has children.

BECAUSE they wanted something so bad, they chose their behaviors...despite the fact that they were most likely born that way.

Again, IF you wanted it bad enough, you can change.

just because they are married does not mean that they are not GAY they could be Bi. But still people who SMOKE but STOP are still a SMOKER

Originally posted by The Mean Queen
just because they are married does not mean that they are not GAY they could be Bi. But still people who SMOKE but STOP are still a SMOKER

Or not. My father used to smoke...and now he doesn't. In fact, it makes him sick to smell cigarette smoke. He is most certainly NOT a smoker....but that is an illogical comparison because I haven't seen a study that could link the behavior of cigarette smoking to genetics. I have seen studies linking homosexuality to genetics.

If this "turning" of sexual preference could be measured scientifically, then I would be legitimized. You are not the first person to not take my comment seriously.

because some someone Once was a Smoker they will always be a smoker

If you take a train once, you will always be a trainer.

wat is a trainer

😂

Originally posted by The Mean Queen
because some someone Once was a Smoker they will always be a smoker

What is your logic behind that? Because people can and have quit smoking for the rest of their lives before. That means they are no longer a smoker.

Look, if you are going to use your own definitions for words, then by all means, do so. But in a debate, you have to define those words and then accept that they are not the common definitions of those words and move on. I have, for all intents and purposes, done that with FTW (Fut the wuck...which really is For The Win.)

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, you can change the way you are.

How is choosing to respond to male pheromones, or to become sexually aroused by a man working out for you?

Originally posted by dadudemon
There is almost NO behavioral trait that we can't change about ourselves, regardless if we had genetic predispositions to them.

Sexual orientation is not a "behavioral trait."

Originally posted by dadudemon
To say otherwise is to say that you are weak willed and it insults the power of the human mind. I know two.....TWO!!! people who WERE homosexual males but decided that they wanted to be Christians of a church that condoned homosexaulity. They are now both married and one has children.

BECAUSE they wanted something so bad, they chose their behaviors...despite the fact that they were most likely born that way.

Again, IF you wanted it bad enough, you can change.

Choosing to remain celibate, or to pursue relationships with members of the opposite-sex does not make one heterosexual.

Adam Poe is actually right

Sexual Orientation isn't like a smoking habit, or some pattern of behavior. Sexual Orientation at its most basic aspect is attraction. It's not necessarily what you do, but who you are attracted to. You can't choose that.

If we can choose who we are attracted to, you wouldn't hear people complain about not finding the right partner. You wouldn't hear this "you're not my type" stuff going back n forth.

Whether you are born gay, or develop that way is one issue....but as for choosing it..sorry. You don't choose who you are attracted to, or what you are sexually aroused by. Get over it already

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
How is choosing to respond to male pheromones, or to become sexually aroused by a man working out for you?

I will NEVER try something like that out. However, I still leave it out there as something that COULD be done if I wanted to.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Sexual orientation is not a "behavioral trait."

Considering that I believe that genes play a role in behavior, it most certainly is. I believe that you have even provided evidence of "behaviors" linked to genes.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Choosing to remain celibate, or to pursue relationships with members of the opposite-sex does not make one heterosexual.

Ahhh...but if they believe it in their mind, would it not be true for them? I touched on this with you the last time we talked about it. I think...but I am not for sure...that there is literally a measurable difference with these type of people. Where they once responded to male pheromones, they may NOW respond to female pheromones in the same manner. This is because I think that mind is greater than the sum of behavioral, genetic dictates.

If they truly were homosexual before and are now heterosexual, then we should be able to measure it, right?

I also don't believe our sexual orientation defines who we are.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Considering that I believe that genes play a role in behavior, it most certainly is. I believe that you have even provided evidence of "behaviors" linked to genes.

Good point. Some people are more inclined to violence, a behavior. I'm one of them; I have anger management problems, yet I still deal with and suppress it.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I also don't believe our sexual orientation defines who we are.

I agree. I've never considered the fact that I'm straight as a part of what makes me, me.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I also don't believe our sexual orientation defines who we are.

Though it might not define who we are, it does play a most vital role in forming our character. Probably much more so for homosexuals than for heterosexuals, too

Originally posted by Bardock42
Probably much more so for homosexuals than for heterosexuals, too.

Why would it matter "much more so" for them? What difference does it make?

I don't see how it's defining of a person's character at all.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Adam Poe is actually right

Sexual Orientation isn't like a smoking habit, or some pattern of behavior. Sexual Orientation at its most basic aspect is attraction. It's not necessarily what you do, but who you are attracted to. You can't choose that.

If we can choose who we are attracted to, you wouldn't hear people complain about not finding the right partner. You wouldn't hear this "you're not my type" stuff going back n forth.

Whether you are born gay, or develop that way is one issue....but as for choosing it..sorry. You don't choose who you are attracted to, or what you are sexually aroused by. Get over it already

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
You add nothing to these forums. Go away.

You have picked to one post by SpearofDestiny that actually added something of value to the thread and said he adds no value. 🙄 Why didn't you pick one of the stupid posts by SpearofDestiny to make this statement? I think the truth is that you had no counter argument, so you resorted to childish "go away" tactics.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Sexual Orientation isn't like a smoking habit, or some pattern of behavior. Sexual Orientation at its most basic aspect is attraction. It's not necessarily what you do, but who you are attracted to. You can't choose that.