On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Originally posted by Atlantis001
I never heard of this study before, but that does only shows us that homosexuality is proporcional to population, but not necessarily that proporcionality should exist to control the rat population. Many other things grows as the population grows, like crime, number of car accidents, number of deaths, etc. I think that is probably a hypothesis, not a scientifical fact. Think of this... even if its needed a natural way to control population, why by homosexuality, why not some rats devouring the others, or assexuality. Of course your point of view is still a possibility. So... yea... I think its still possible for homosexuality to be from nature.

Yes, I am making a leap of faith. There are many things that work into the survival of a population, and yes this is a working hypothesis. If you had to make a "black or white" decision that effected millions of peoples lives, what would be the most human decision? I will not give you choices, this is an essay question.

ya... maybe is not just a matter of only finding the right answer, we should think in the consequences too, as it would affect many lives as you said.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
ya... maybe is not just a matter of only finding the right answer, we should think in the consequences too, as it would affect many lives as you said.

Yes, this is an important matter, so if I am to error, let me error on the side that gives respect and life to people. Homosexuals have a right to live and be happy, everyone els should get a grip, and take care of their own lives.

Originally posted by cking
no, I do care for them I would like to help them with their problem if I had the chance.

we do not have a problem, cking. we do not need any help, because we are happy as we are, we are proud of who we are, as everyone should be proud of themselves. why cant you just accept that us gays are happy and leave it at that? 🙁

and just remember, not everyone beleieves in god, not everyone follows the bible. i dont believe in god and never have, therefore i feel that being gay is not a sin.

Originally posted by cking
no one would ever find the bodies of Adam and eve, they probably dissolved.

possibly the bones of adam and eve were not found because they simply dop not exist?

what proof, BESIDES that of what is said in the bible, do you and others, have of there being a god, and jesus etc? forget about the bible, and tell us what proff there is, if the bible didnt exist.

As I have said before, population control. In any given population there is a small percentage of homosexual activity, as the population grows so does this percentage. There is one thing that will kill off a population faster than no new generation; that is, starvation. The percentage of homosexual activity is linked to the population, so as the percentage goes up, the population goes down and so to does the percentage of homosexual activity. People who are gay are born that way!

Population control? How would you even figure that? What is it that decides that this one will be gay or that there are sufficient or insufficient amounts of them? Thats just as likely as people being infertile or sterile to control the population. Beyond which the population ISNT controlled but to whatever degree it has been, credit war, famine and disease.

This doesnt have to do with respect, people having rights or anything of the sort.

I simply decided to give some input on the subject and part of that was its inherent unnaturalness.

The reproductive organs are NOT and CAN not be used for their intended purpose in a homosexual relationship.

btw all, our friend cking only turned 18 this year...i would have expected you to be much older... 🙄

Originally posted by Evanescence
possibly the bones of adam and eve were not found because they simply dop not exist?

what proof, BESIDES that of what is said in the bible, do you and others, have of there being a god, and jesus etc? forget about the bible, and tell us what proff there is, if the bible didnt exist.

The only proof I have is you, me and the cosmos. As far as the bible, it's just a book, & Jesus, just a misunderstood Buddhist.

i think the bible is just a story, myself...

Originally posted by Evanescence
i think the bible is just a story, myself...

The teaching that I study is the Lotus Sutra, but it is just a book. But for me, and I've been through a lot, it works.

lotus sutra???

Originally posted by Evanescence
lotus sutra???

The Lotus Sutra is the final teachings of Buddha. And the highest level of teaching. Also, the hardest to understand. There are other masters writings that help bring understanding, but they are just humans. This is a religion made by people, very smart people, over thousands of years of observing the human condition.

so this is better than the bible? it is different teachings?

Originally posted by Evanescence
so this is better than the bible? it is different teachings?

I'm sorry, I edited the above post. I think that will answer you questions. If you have more, contact me with a personal massage.

ok, i understand beetr now, thank you.

Why does the possibility of homosexuality not coming from nature will be disrespectful for gays ? Why people always want church permission to live their own lives ? Cannot the gays just be gays independently of what church says. Anyway, sexuality is a "human" thing, it is a "human" necessity, and does have anything to do with spirituality.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Why does the possibility of homosexuality not coming from nature will be disrespectful for gays ? Why people always want church permission to live their own lives ? Cannot the gays just be gays independently of what church says. Anyway, sexuality is a "human" thing, it is a "human" necessity, and does have anything to do with spirituality.

I don't know if I agree with you of not.

I don't like when people separate us from other animals. I think it is very arrogant. It's not that I wish to bring us down to the level of the animals, but more like I wish to see the animals just as divine, or not, as we are. I am a part of my environment and you can not separate me from my environment. Have you ever noticed that when you are in a bad mood everyone around you is in a bad mood. Yours and my feelings extends from our body's into the environment around us. If you change yourself, the environment around you will change.

Originally posted by clickclick
I simply decided to give some input on the subject and part of that was its inherent unnaturalness.

The reproductive organs are NOT and CAN not be used for their intended purpose in a homosexual relationship.

Homosexuality:

[list][*]is present in and faithfully represents nature or life.

[*]is a phenomenon expressive of natural conditions.

[*]conforms to the usual and ordinary course of the material world and its phenomena.[/list]

Homosexuality is definitionally natural. Further illustrating this is the fact that homosexuality extensively occurs in nature. Homosexuality has been documented in over 450 species and occurs in all sexually reproducing organisms, the only exception being bacteria.

Unlike most species which go through sesonal periods of mating, human beings are always sexuall viable. This makes human beings one of a number of species that do not have sex solely for procreation. Therefore, it is arguable that homosexual sex is unnatural on this basis. During homosexual sex, the genitals are used for copulation, just as they are used during recreational heterosexual sex.

In order for homosexuality to be unnatural, one would have to prove:

[list=1][*]That homosexuality does not occur in nature.

[*]That all recreational sexual acts are unnatural.[/list]

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't know if I agree with you of not.

I don't like when people separate us from other animals. I think it is very arrogant. It's not that I wish to bring us down to the level of the animals, but more like I wish to see the animals just as divine, or not, as we are. I am a part of my environment and you can not separate me from my environment. Have you ever noticed that when you are in a bad mood everyone around you is in a bad mood. Yours and my feelings extends from our body's into the environment around us. If you change yourself, the environment around you will change.

Its not that, I don´t like that separation either. What I trying to tell is that something is not right or wrong just because animals do it or not.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Homosexuality:

[list][*]is present in and faithfully represents nature or life.

[*]is a phenomenon expressive of natural conditions.

[*]conforms to the usual and ordinary course of the material world and its phenomena.[/list]

Homosexuality is definitionally natural. Further illustrating this is the fact that homosexuality extensively occurs in nature. Homosexuality has been documented in over 450 species and occurs in all sexually reproducing organisms, the only exception being bacteria.

Unlike most species which go through sesonal periods of mating, human beings are always sexuall viable. This makes human beings one of a number of species that do not have sex solely for procreation. Therefore, it is arguable that homosexual sex is unnatural on this basis. During homosexual sex, the genitals are used for copulation, just as they are used during recreational heterosexual sex.

In order for homosexuality to be unnatural, one would have to prove:

[list=1][*]That homosexuality does not occur in nature.

[*]That all recreational sexual acts are unnatural.[/list]

Stop repeating the same thing again... and again, please, your theory contradicts Darwin´s theory.