The "penalty" probably refers to I Corinthians 6:9-10, "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor theives nor the greedy or drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
Originally posted by ska57
The "penalty" probably refers to I Corinthians 6:9-10, "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor theives nor the greedy or drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
Do you not have any of your own ideas. Would you like for me to quote for the Lotus Sutra (my Holly Book)?
Originally posted by ska57
If you have something to share from the Lotus Sutra, please share it, if you want to, I'm actually very curious...
http://www.sgi-usa.org/buddhism/library/Buddhism/LotusSutra/
I'm not here to quote the Lotus Sutra, I'm here to give my opinions. It comes across as arrogance when someone just quotes a holly book.
Originally posted by ska57
The "penalty" probably refers to I Corinthians 6:9-10, "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor theives nor the greedy or drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
Noah....a drunk.
Lot......did it with his daughters.
Israel.....always were idolaters.
And then there's Tamar who slept with her father-in law.
After 'a long time passed' (38:12) Judah's wife died. During this long time Judah had not sent Shelah to marry Tamar. She became concerned that Judah did not intend to fulfill his requirement to give her a husband to father a child, his grandchild. Does Judah consider her a black widow? Will she accept being a barren woman, powerless in a patriarchal society? Tamar masqueraded as a prostitute stands in a place called ‘enaim’, the opening of the eyes. Judah does not see that it is Tamar. She seduces him. Judah said he did not have the money to pay her and gave her his seal, cord and staff (the equivalent of his credit card) as ransom until he would return to pay for her services. As Gunn and Fewell note the Hebrew words are all wordplays; ‘hotamka coming from ‘father-in-law, ‘petileka’ coming from ‘peti’ a simpleton and ‘matteh’ staff, in many languages a sexual euphemism. (3) Later he sent his friend to retrieve his seal, cord and staff, but the woman had disappeared.
True, Noah was a drunk. True Lot did it with his daugthers (actually it was his daughters that did him). True Israel were almost always idolaters. The Bible teaches that we are all sinful and dead in our trangressions from birth (Ephesians 2:1), and we would not inherit the kingdom of God because that description in 1 Corinthians fits all of us. But it also says in Matthew 1:21 that Jesus was born to take all of our sins away if we just believe and surrender to Him, we may have everlasting life (John 3:16).
Originally posted by Atlantis001
Its not matter if the sex is for recreation or not, it must have a purpose, homosexuality doesn´t have one, to say that something in nature happen without purpose, is against what science believes today, its denies Darwin´s theory. Why should fishes have legs, if they will never use them ?
Homosexual sex does serve a purpose; it is simply not procreation. Furthermore, recreational heterosexual sex does not serve the purpose of procreation either; yet, you would not consider it to be un-natural. This illustrates the flaw in your argument; either sex outside of procreation is un-natural or it is not. If it is, this applies to recreational heterosexual sex also.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
Sex must be enjoyable for reproduction to happen. But animals could satisfy their sexual impulses other ways not only by homosexuality, something that I already saw is sex happen with very young members of its own specie, thats what happens with puppy dogs on the streets.
What do you people think ? Would that be natural ?My opinion is that those types of sex don´t have a purpose, there are not for reproduction. I not judging if they are right or wrong, remember that !
The description of the sexual act you witnessed is vague. I cannot tell you whether ot not it is natural because I cannot identify what it is.
[i] Homosexual sex does serve a purpose; it is simply not procreation. Furthermore, recreational heterosexual sex does not serve the purpose of procreation either; yet, you would not consider it to be un-natural. This illustrates the flaw in your argument; either sex outside of procreation is un-natural or it is not. If it is, this applies to recreational heterosexual sex also.
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Heterosexual sex just exist because its needed for procreation, if it was not needed for procreation it will not exist, as we can observe in some species.
The description of the sexual act you witnessed is vague. I cannot tell you whether ot not it is natural because I cannot identify what it is.
I´m saying that what we call pedofillia happens in nature. So will that be natural too ?
Originally posted by Atlantis001
Heterosexual sex just exist because its needed for procreation, if it was not needed for procreation it will not exist, as we can observe in some species.
If heterosexual sex is solely for procreation, then explain why human beings are always sexually viable.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
I´m saying that what we call pedofillia happens in nature. So will that be natural too ?
A negation cannot be proven, therefore the burden of proof is on the person making a positive claim to substantiate it. If it is your claim that pedophilia occurs in nature, by all means, prove it. Provide evidence that not only has pedophilia been witnessed to occur in natuire, but tells us how many species it has been documented in as well.
Sex is not only used for procreation, but species that doesn´t need sex for procreation doesn´t have it, as there are no species that have sex just for recreational purposes.
It happens on nature, animals doesn´t have an age consentment for sex, they just fulfil their sexual impulse in any way available. Just ask around. Where I live there are many dogs in the streets, and I already saw it happen more than once.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
but species that doesn´t need sex for procreation doesn´t have it, as there are no species that have sex just for recreational purposes.
Now, I know of an exception, but it is in the plant kingdom; I'm shore there is one or not in the animal kingdom, but I'll do so research on it. The common Dandelion, flowers and seeds, but the seed are infertile. The plants reproduces through asexuality, it sends out roots that pop up and start a new plant. I read about this at livescience.com (http://livescience.com/).
Originally posted by Atlantis001
Sex is not only used for procreation, but species that doesn´t need sex for procreation doesn´t have it, as there are no species that have sex just for recreational purposes.It happens on nature, animals doesn´t have an age consentment for sex, they just fulfil their sexual impulse in any way available. Just ask around. Where I live there are many dogs in the streets, and I already saw it happen more than once.
So in other words, you have no proof?
No, I have no proof that I could show you, but to witness those events is not so rare as you think. I even saw homosexual sex happen between animals, thats not something so rare that just happened to those pinguins(Roy and Silo), and other species you told. These events are common, and are not so big news as it sounded to me. Anyway, I will do I a research, and try to find something to show you.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
No, I have no proof that I could show you, but to witness those events is not so rare as you think. I even saw homosexual sex happen between animals, thats not something so rare that just happened to those pinguins(Roy and Silo), and other species you told. These events are common, and are not so big news as it sounded to me. Anyway, I will do I a research, and try to find something to show you.
If pedophilia is as common in nautre as you claim, why are you the only one who has reported to have witnessed it? I have certainly never seen an adult animal attempt to have sex with an animal that is not an adult also. Has anyone else?
I think hamsters do....at least that's what a friend told me...But...for myself, I haven't seen it....I'll think some more.....hmmmmmm
But maybe they'd be considered "teen" hamsters kind of thing....who know in hamster years..I do know, from what I was told, that's when they are ready to reproduce, and for them that's young....you have to separated them or you get hamsters everywhere....and so that's what we did....we have hamsters....thought we had 2 of the same sex.......
SURPRISE!!!! hamster heaven......now how do you tell those little guys a part.... 😄