Originally posted by Bardock42
There is a difference between sex for pleasure and sex for reproduction. Do you not see that?If it is not intended by nature...why does it exist?
Because it is a flaw,
why do some people have four legs and sex eyes, because it is a flaw.
Dont even attempt to kick me from this forum, your attacks have been much more unacceptable than mine.
I am expressing my view and you cant seem to handle the truth.
Originally posted by The thinker
Because it is a flaw,why do some people have four legs and sex eyes, because it is a flaw.
Dont even attempt to kick me from this forum, your attacks have been much more unacceptable than mine.
I am expressing my view and you cant seem to handle the truth.
You have a very subjective understanding, but in fact you have been much more offensive than all of us combined.....times a thousand.
damn could u GET any more self indulgent?!
look at ur own statement again dimwit! organisms best adapted to EXISTING conditions. well existing conditions arent the jungle its the damn information age. the person most likely to survive is smart, open minded, cunning and steady. reproduction is more a COUNTER EVOLUTIONARY force these days seeing as the planet cant support the huge population. so infact people who DONT have children are doing the next generation a bigger favour in survival. THESE ARE THE "EXISTING CONDITIONS" deal with it! and also soon, natural death can easily be overcome and cloning can give children even to gays/ lesbians. so although they might not have been GENETICALLY perfect in the stone ages they are quite genetically good now, compareable to many others as the creation of technology is a much bigger investment in the future of mankind than the very slow evolution that came even with huge families. im assuming it IS the future of mankind ur referring to when mentioned survival of the FITTEST as leading upto that glorious point. as i said before the criteria of FIT has changed drastically large families have become IMPERFECT from the standpoint of human evolution. mankind and its self preservation instinct is the ultimate reality and all things if they EVOLVE should serve those two realities. if something evolves in a CLASSICAL way and is harmful to the future of mankind than that something has merely started mutating and NOT evolving since evolution is benefitial not harmful. i dont really expect all this to make it through that thick skull of urs but theres no harm in trying. simply put, THE CRITERIA FOR "PERFECTION" HAS CHANGED MY FRIEND.
still havent given a good counterargument to the baove post thinker. im WAITING.
Originally posted by The thinker
Because it is a flaw,why do some people have four legs and sex eyes, because it is a flaw.
Dont even attempt to kick me from this forum, your attacks have been much more unacceptable than mine.
I am expressing my view and you cant seem to handle the truth.
Your arguement is ridiculous.
You're comparing someone who is homosexual to a four-legged, six-eye person. Not that there's anything wrong about being a four-legged, six-eyed person...I just haven't seen one. Do you have the case studies on the survival of a four-legged six-eyed person in the modern world?
It would actually be an interesting study to see how many people are gentically "unflawed", as you have put it. I have allergies and 20/800 vision, so that puts me right out. And, with the beauty that is dominance and resessiveness in genetics, you don't even have to display any special qualities to be "flawed".
Rejoice in the diversity in our gene pool. You should well know the malaria/sickle cell case where one of your genetic "flaws" allows someone to have a higher level of Darwinian fitness.
Which brings me to my next point, which others have already questioned you on. "Fitness" is a relative term, dependant on the environment. The way you continue to you use it makes it seem like you believe in a much more animalistic society where men still need to go about putting their seed in as many women as they can find, thereby producing the most offspring possible. Which is simply no longer necessary, and I think you'll agree really isn't the ultimate goal in life. As has been already mentioned, there are plenty of other ways to contribute to the survival of yourself and of others, and the species as a whole.
Your truths are self-evident, and in no way depict some sort of ultimate truth.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'll supply the whips and chains.The safeword is "whob"... 😂
How appropriate. All that is left to say is droolio
Originally posted by The thinker
The arguements are going to go on for ever, so let me lay it down for you.
In nature, if a animal was infertile, it would die without reproducing!
That is a good thing, the genetic flaw must be erased. If there is a old man in his sixties dying of aids, he has got a disease and he must not reproduce. Aids must be erased, deformities must be erased, homosexuality must be erased. Things that serve no purpose must be erased! They are flaws in our existnce. If you see a guy that has a airborn virus that will cripple people, kill him!Does it scare you?
DEAL WITH IT!
YOU CANT ARUE AGAINST SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST!
And you are showing a fundamental idiocy in your comparison of homosexuality to things like aids and deformities and poison in cakes.
Fact: Homosexuality is not a medical condition. That simple. It is not defined as such, there is no evidence for it, nor is there a cure. If you are gay, you are gay.
Fact: A homosexual person can contribute just as much to society as a heterosexual person.
Fact: People with aids and other maladies can also contribute to society, and they are just as deserving of respect.
Fact: Humanity is no longer really in the domain of natural selection. We don't leave babies on hills any more. We don't strangle the disabled at birth, we don't practice neo-fascist ideals of eugenics and the like. As such your argument that "in nature" is fallacious and useless.
Fact: Your argument then that things that serve no purpose are useless is equally useless as it is clear you have no idea what any persons purpose in life is.
Fact: You didn't answer my question earlier: Does it scare you? Does it make you angry to know that there will be gay people who will contribute more to society, be more liked, be more powerful, be more influential then you? Deal with it.
Originally posted by The thinker
just because i dont accept homosexuality, it does not make me a religious person.If you have a view that a child rapest are bad, then i can say you are religious because your "moral" views are similar.
Your arguement is flawed
Geez man, for someone named "The Thinker" u really don't think much do you?
You see homosexuality as a flaw, yet homosexuality has existed for thousands of years...Natural Selections huh? Well, since your in the area of scientific discrimination, why don't you include the idea of Decreasing Overpopulation?
Homosexuals sure as hell contribute to the limiting of population, and further advancement of the species you dumbass, not to mention the social advances homosexuals have given mankind.
I can't see how you imagine a trait that has existed for thousands of years to be a flaw, if it was a true natural flaw, wouldn't it have died out by now? It's still here you moron !
Homosexuality was taken out of the list of medical illnesses in the late 1900's so that's no longer canon. Stop arguing things that have been disproven already. There was once a time (Early Victorian Era) when HETEROSEXUALITY was considered disgusting and abnormal.
You call yourself the Thinker, well open your mind ! THINK for real this time, LONG AND HARD !
It matters not if you are not a religious bigot, you are still a scientific bigot, and you are just as bad ! 👇
Imperial's summary was good.
I would like to point out while the Pentgon sitll consideres homosexuality to be a mental condidtion, the medical community does not.
Homosexuality does not have any effect on human "fitness."
I would also like to point out, as Imperial alluded to, that negative eugenics went out of style in the beginning of last century. Its not really considered an accepted social practice, which under your argument thinker, would make you just as worthy of eradication as homosexuals.
You people sure know alot about sin dont you. I mean what does the bible know about sin, since it is where sin was first decided on. If you dont believe the bible then why believe in sin. Why try to twist the truth to your own understanding, just say I dont believe in right and wrong.
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"I can't see how you imagine a trait that has existed for thousands of years to be a flaw, if it was a true natural flaw, wouldn't it have died out by now? It's still here you moron !
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Do you just make this stuff up as you go, cancer, albinism, dwarfism, etc. And thousands of other diseases/birth defects have existed for thousands of years, so what kind of ignorant point were you trying to make.
Ill say it again, who are you to make your own Laws of God. If you truly believe in Jesus Christ then you follow the Bible, not your own sick and twisted beliefs. Of course they wouldnt be your beliefes if you were a christian (means CHRIST LIKE) Homo-sexuals are not Christ like considering he calls homosexuality of any kind an ABOMINATION.
If you want to meet Jesus and one day go to Heaven then read the BIBLE. dont make your beliefs match your sinful lifestyle.
God Bless you all.
Originally posted by jnt29904
You people sure know alot about sin dont you. I mean what does the bible know about sin, since it is where sin was first decided on. If you dont believe the bible then why believe in sin. Why try to twist the truth to your own understanding, just say I dont believe in right and wrong.
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QUOTE BY:Lord Urizen"I can't see how you imagine a trait that has existed for thousands of years to be a flaw, if it was a true natural flaw, wouldn't it have died out by now? It's still here you moron !
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Do you just make this stuff up as you go, cancer, albinism, dwarfism, etc. And thousands of other diseases/birth defects have existed for thousands of years, so what kind of ignorant point were you trying to make.Ill say it again, who are you to make your own Laws of God. If you truly believe in Jesus Christ then you follow the Bible, not your own sick and twisted beliefs. Of course they wouldnt be your beliefes if you were a christian (means CHRIST LIKE) Homo-sexuals are not Christ like considering he calls homosexuality of any kind an ABOMINATION.
If you want to meet Jesus and one day go to Heaven then read the BIBLE. dont make your beliefs match your sinful lifestyle.
God Bless you all.
Take your sickness and spread it elswhere.
You haven't even read the bible, apparently.
Really is it that apparent? I have read the Bible from cover to cover.
Since your such an expert on the Bible then produce a single scripture that supports Homosexuality. I could produce many of the exact opposite. Im sure you WOULDNT like to see them that would disrupt your excuse (IGNORANCE of the WORD).
You call the Word of God a sickness,that alone is blasphemy.
If your not serving God then Satan is the only alternative. Their is no inbetween, your either hot or cold.
But maybe you have a different Bible.
What is your Gods name.